Leica Product Announcement Nov 6, 2pm

[bags27]

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4 hours ago, helged said:

4 hours ago, thighslapper said:

'It's your choice' ......... does that imply more than one variant of the SL2 ?????

Likely not. The more boring interpretation is 'grab it' if you desire.

I thought it was a choice between this camera and a new car.

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[Chaemono]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb helged:

..., and up to 20 fps w/electronic shutter.

This is amazing. That’s α9 territory and implies no-blackout EVF.  Here’s how the α9 does it. 

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4373772

“It's all about the image pipeline.

Faster readout of the sensor data. This includes bypassing a mechanical shutter, and a fast recycle time from readout, reset and the start of a new exposure. There isn't much difference between this and video capture, though a large sensor adds a few more hurdles that the engineers have to deal with to reduce rolling shutter effects, it won't be long till a global shutter takes over as all chip makers are working on this.

Large fast buffer, to capture and temporarily store the raw data as it's processed for the jpg process and EXIF tags that are added to the RAW and or to the full jpg, till it's been written to the card.

Large enough CPU bandwidth to do all the processing and not act as a bottleneck, this is usually where cameras fail for burst shooting, it fills the buffer and slows the shooting to as fast as it can make room for the next shot.

Fast writing to the card. Which includes a fast card, this is the other bottleneck that usually slows things down.”

They must have mounted that sensor on one heck of a board for incredibly fast read out because the Q2 sensor is not stacked with built-in DRAM.  

Let’s see if the video specs of 4K at 60fps and 10-bit output are in crop mode or use the full width of the frame.  I cannot imagine it’s the latter. 

Edited November 6, 2019 by Chaemono

[Mr.Q]

 

2 minutes ago, Chaemono said:

This is amazing. That’s α9 territory and implies no black-out EVF.  Here’s how the α9 does it. 

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4373772

“It's all about the image pipeline.

Faster readout of the sensor data. This includes bypassing a mechanical shutter, and a fast recycle time from readout, reset and the start of a new exposure. There isn't much difference between this and video capture, though a large sensor adds a few more hurdles that the engineers have to deal with to reduce rolling shutter effects, it won't be long till a global shutter takes over as all chip makers are working on this.

Large fast buffer, to capture and temporarily store the raw data as it's processed for the jpg process and EXIF tags that are added to the RAW and or to the full jpg, till it's been written to the card.

Large enough CPU bandwidth to do all the processing and not act as a bottleneck, this is usually where cameras fail for burst shooting, it fills the buffer and slows the shooting to as fast as it can make room for the next shot.

Fast writing to the card. Which includes a fast card, this is the other bottleneck that usually slows things down.”

They must have mounted that sensor on one heck of a board for incredibly fast read out because the Q2 sensor is not stacked with built-in DRAM.  

Let’s see if the video specs of 4K at 60fps and 10-bit output are in crop mode or use the full width of the frame.  I cannot imagine it’s the latter. 

I wouldn't get too excited.

Continuous Medium Speed (6 fps) 
Continuous High Speed (10 fps without AFc/AE/WB) 
Continuous Super Speed (20 fps with electr. shutter function without AFc/AE/WB)

High-speed  continuous is worthless without AFC/AE and WB. (which the Sony A9 does with ease)
If the specs are true, I'd consider the SL2 to be a 6 fps shooter, with 10 fps and 20 fps unusable.

[vikasmg]

9 hours ago, Stuart Richardson said:

There is an event in Paris tomorrow with Stefan Daniel and Steve McCurry starting at 4pm, which is not much after, so it makes sense...

In Singapore the event is this Saturday...

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[Chaemono]

vor 4 Minuten schrieb Mr.Q:

 

I wouldn't get too excited.

Continuous Medium Speed (6 fps) 
Continuous High Speed (10 fps without AFc/AE/WB) 
Continuous Super Speed (20 fps with electr. shutter function without AFc/AE/WB)

High-speed  continuous is worthless without AFC/AE and WB. (which the Sony A9 does with ease)
If the specs are true, I'd consider the SL2 to be a 6 fps shooter, with 10 fps and 20 fps unusable.

Missed it.  Thanks.  20 fps without AFc?  Why even bother?

[caissa]

I would expect that, as the two cameras have different resolution. So the SL2 would need to move a lot more data. But if it is unusable will depend on the circumstances, not all objects change distance very rapidly.

It’s a feature for the record list. And not extremely important for me for practical use.

Edited November 6, 2019 by caissa

[sillbeers15]

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3 minutes ago, Mr.Q said:

 

I wouldn't get too excited.

Continuous Medium Speed (6 fps) 
Continuous High Speed (10 fps without AFc/AE/WB) 
Continuous Super Speed (20 fps with electr. shutter function without AFc/AE/WB)

High-speed  continuous is worthless without AFC/AE and WB. (which the Sony A9 does with ease)
If the specs are true, I'd consider the SL2 to be a 6 fps shooter, with 10 fps and 20 fps unusable.

Yes. Now you know why S1R’s AFC is only 6fps/s.

If all the AF tracking works well at 6fps/s, I am a happy man. I’m not asking for much.

[Mr.Q]

This sounds awfully similar to the Panasonic's DFD.... 
Autofocus System - Based on contrast metering and depth mapping

And I wonder what happened to the rumored "lighter camera?"
Leica SL - 771/847 g (without/with battery)
Leica SL2 - Approx. 835g (without battery)
If my math is correct, the SL2 is 64g heavier?

[mjmoore]

MUST TETHER seamlessly with Capture ONe!!!!

[frame-it]

37 minutes ago, bags27 said:

I thought it was a choice between this camera and a new car.

that's the S3

[hillavoider]

these final specs could be a cut and paste from the S1R

[caissa]

That’s ok for me. I would have liked to see the faces if the specs had been worse than S1R ...   🤣

[hillavoider]

looks like the same battery as SL? 

[sillbeers15]

Hey Kids,

Look forward to how the camera performs in real world handing instead of just trying to split hair over specs.

The SL also does not perform AF ( just on first frame) on Continuous High Drive mode of 11fps/s. Just too many users do not read camera menu to realise that, instead many attribute it to the 90-280mm is a lens with junk AF! I say user error!

[sillbeers15]

1 minute ago, hillavoider said:

looks like the same battery as SL? 

Yes. Same battery. Suppose that I saw the connection point and was told that it is the same remote release. However the latest photo shows a connector of the cable release that looks like a headphone jack instead. But if so, means wireless remote release by pocket wizard radio triggers can be used on SL2.

[Chaemono]

vor einer Stunde schrieb Mr.Q:

This sounds awfully similar to the Panasonic's DFD.... 
Autofocus System - Based on contrast metering and depth mapping

And I wonder what happened to the rumored "lighter camera?"
Leica SL - 771/847 g (without/with battery)
Leica SL2 - Approx. 835g (without battery)
If my math is correct, the SL2 is 64g heavier?

IBIS adds weight.

[sillbeers15]

Cannot feel any difference in weight and size against SL in actual handling.

[sillbeers15]

1 hour ago, vikasmg said:

In Singapore the event is this Saturday...

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I received the same invite in my mailbox. Not sure the venue can accommodate so many of us. Parking might be a nightmare.

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[sillbeers15]

From my communication with the local Leica Store rep, all the SL2 Preorder availability on first shipment has been taken up in Singapore. Subsequent orders will be on later shipments.

[caissa]

A short video.