pierovitch Posted August 4, 2007 Share #1 Â Posted August 4, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) If there was no R10 what would prefer as an alternative? Â Leica R lens line in Nikon Mount with lens data coupling Digilux 3 auto coupled adaptor (dial for focal length) Canon auto R lens adaptor (dial for focal length) M9 with R lens adaptor and live view Foveon based body with R lens adaptor and live view Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jlancasterd Posted August 4, 2007 Share #2  Posted August 4, 2007 If there was no R10 what would prefer as an alternative? Leica R lens line in Nikon Mount with lens data coupling Digilux 3 auto coupled adaptor (dial for focal length) Canon auto R lens adaptor (dial for focal length) M9 with R lens adaptor and live view Foveon based body with R lens adaptor and live view  R8/9+DMR - what else? :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgcd Posted August 4, 2007 Share #3 Â Posted August 4, 2007 R8/DMR! What else could there possibly be? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angora Posted August 4, 2007 Share #4 Â Posted August 4, 2007 5D + adapter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steen Posted August 4, 2007 Share #5 Â Posted August 4, 2007 If no R10 ... ... I would prefer your first option: Â "Leica R lens line in Nikon Mount with lens data coupling" Â "No R10" ... please don't scare me like this .-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manolo Posted August 4, 2007 Share #6 Â Posted August 4, 2007 M9 & a "visoflex" for R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S. Wong Posted August 4, 2007 Share #7  Posted August 4, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'd love some way to use my lenses on a nikon d80/200 series, because in that price range, they are top.  The 5D didn't feel as solid, but does have a full-frame, but also costs the same as 2 d200's  since I don't think thats possible, a visoflex + M8 might work for me, as it's smaller & lighter than the r8/dmr, not to mention cheaper  -Steven Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhsimmonds Posted August 4, 2007 Share #8 Â Posted August 4, 2007 Definitely R9 + DMR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted August 4, 2007 Share #9 Â Posted August 4, 2007 Another vote for R9+DMR, and/or 1Ds2 or 5D plus adapter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsolomon Posted August 4, 2007 Share #10  Posted August 4, 2007 vote in no order would be:   1. a DMR II, when technolgy allows a significantly superior unit, and if possible reduce the size to the winder verse the drive 2. add focus confirmation to the R9 (regardless of DMR back or film back) 3 M9 with R lens adaptor and live view 4. possibly reduce the weight of R9 - but leave the exisiting shape and size  what are the shortcomings with the current Digilux 3 R adapter ?  i really don't think the R9 can be improved much outside of focus confirmation and an even brighter viewfinder (such as the older sl2 that's always mentioned).... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted August 4, 2007 Share #11  Posted August 4, 2007 what are the shortcomings with the current Digilux 3 R adapter  There's nothing wrong with the adapter IMO ... 4/3 sensor is simply too small and has its severe limitations.  Olympus seriously miscalculated the speed of industrial innovation, 4/3 made sense at the point when price gap between large/small sensors were so big to justify the drawbacks in physics.  I happened to read something very interesting in the infamous Fake Steve Jobs Blog several days ago in which the author slammed hard in the face of the "open source community" ... he mentioned about China where all the government organizations and businesses, to average consumers were absolutely crazy about Linux and such ... not the case anymore.  Why? because Microsoft is going to offer genuine Windows software at $3 dollars each. Conclusion? when cost becomes no issue, people knows about the right choice!  The price drop of APS-C sensors and even full frame sensors are absolutely beyond Olympus's imagination. Both Canon and Nikon have 10MP models below 650 dollars, who is going to buy into a new system then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telyt Posted August 4, 2007 Share #12 Â Posted August 4, 2007 If there was no R10 what would prefer as an alternative? Â I assume that this means that you don't wish to wait for the R10... it will come... for now the best alternative is the R8/DMR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmb_ Posted August 5, 2007 Share #13  Posted August 5, 2007 Leica has no alternative but to make the R10 and their recent history seems to indicate that they will. Also, as Steven K. Lee has stressed in the LFI interview, it must deliver a "superior experience" and, in Lee's words, "The results have to be second to none—otherwise it's not a Leica." As an R customer, I expect Leica will deliver and Lee knows that Leica users will not be satisfied unless their experience and interaction with a Lecia product is first rate.  Therefore, the alternative I select is to enjoy my R9/DMR now and wait patiently for the R10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted August 5, 2007 Share #14 Â Posted August 5, 2007 Actually Leica can do a lot more with the R system than they can plan for the M system due to the M's natural born limitations. Â I can't imagine that they can steal bases from Canon, Nikon etc. with a M, that will only happen with a successful R. It's hard to convert a lot of SLR users into the rangefinder system IMHO. I must admit that if I hadn't start taking pictures with a black M3 I probably would have never cared about a rangefinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted August 5, 2007 Share #15 Â Posted August 5, 2007 One "cult" alternative is a Canon 1DsMKII with Contax N (Zeiss) AF lenses that have been modified to provide full functions, including AF and auto aperture. It actually exists, I know guys that have had their N lenses converted. The N 24-85/3.5 is one of the best zooms I've ever used, followed by the N 17-35/2.8. The 85/1.4 is also stellar. Â Other than that, DMR/9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamey Posted August 5, 2007 Share #16 Â Posted August 5, 2007 A DMR-2 would be the ultimate choice for me providing not to expensive. As having both the R8/9, I could convert one of these models to Digital. Â The beauty of the DMR is the ability to swing back and forth between Film and Digital. If the DMR back fails, okay, back to film, UNTILL REPLACED, But I must admit, it's not to much of a concern to me if Leica does'nt release the R10, as I will stick with Film as my main primary medium. Â By Leica standards, I have a cheap 7 meg Digicam, and it does an excellent job, It has a 12 months warranty and produces lovely images for computer viewing when the camera fails, it's not worth fixing, I will replace it. Â Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted August 5, 2007 Share #17  Posted August 5, 2007 The beauty of the DMR is the ability to swing back and forth between Film and Digital  As an R8 owner I came very close to cancelling my M8 order and ordering a DMR. In the event I held my nerve and have been very pleased with the M8. So while I'd like a DMR mark II I can't see it possibly happening.  But to return to what you said, I wonder how many DMR owners use their R8/9s for film other than in cases of emergency? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted August 5, 2007 Share #18  Posted August 5, 2007 But to return to what you said, I wonder how many DMR owners use their R8/9s for film other than in cases of emergency?  My back has never been off. I bet that most of them haven't.  I have an R4 for film R work. Given the price of a DMR, £300 for an old R body is buttons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted August 5, 2007 Share #19 Â Posted August 5, 2007 The, the exhangeable back is a nice idea but even a new R body (if they are still made) is less than most lenses and I was surprised to see how little R8s are going for secondhand. Â BTW, I think "No R10" is a little sensationalist because it creates the expectation of an authoritative statement to that effect. How about "What if no R10?". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telyt Posted August 5, 2007 Share #20 Â Posted August 5, 2007 BTW, I think "No R10" is a little sensationalist because it creates the expectation of an authoritative statement to that effect. How about "What if no R10?". Â Or more likely, "What to use before R10" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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