Fedro Posted October 26, 2019 Share #101 Posted October 26, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) mmh, the S3 was announced, unlike the SL2, even presented at Photokina, unlike the SL2, and handed out for review, unlike the SL2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Agent M10 Posted October 26, 2019 Share #102 Posted October 26, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Fedro said: A camera that will have taken 18 months from announcement to launch, and postponed already twice looks like smart planning? looks more like a slow train crash to me. We not talking about innovation by competitors, we are talking about 2 products of the same company being developed in parallel over the past 3/4 years ... Why are the forums so full of killjoys? Edited October 26, 2019 by Agent M10 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted October 26, 2019 Share #103 Posted October 26, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Fedro said: mmh, the S3 was announced, unlike the SL2, even presented at Photokina, unlike the SL2, and handed out for review, unlike the SL2 Well, the reviews came back and with no direct competitor, Leica decided on a major revision. Makes sense to me. Edited October 26, 2019 by scott kirkpatrick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedro Posted October 26, 2019 Share #104 Posted October 26, 2019 Just now, scott kirkpatrick said: Well, the reviews came back and with n direct competitor, Leica decided on a major revision. Makes sense tp me. sure, I am not sure whether they have no competitor, I guess we will see how many they sell. I hope many, of course, though I won't be buying it myself, but it does not look like a very smooth launch to me. It was postponed already once Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedro Posted October 26, 2019 Share #105 Posted October 26, 2019 35 minutes ago, Agent M10 said: Why are the forums so full of killjoys? I dont know you, so I am not sure if you are serious, but I hope you are not everyone is entitled to their own opinion without attracting personal or offensive remarks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent M10 Posted October 26, 2019 Share #106 Posted October 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Fedro said: I dont know you, so I am not sure if you are serious, but I hope you are not everyone is entitled to their own opinion without attracting personal or offensive remarks Killjoy: A killjoy is a person who spoils all the fun for everybody. You may be a killjoy if everyone's enjoying their meal at a restaurant and you complain constantly about the terrible service. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted October 27, 2019 Share #107 Posted October 27, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) ライカの最新商品リストに「ライカSL2」「HG-SCL6」「RC-SCL6」「液晶保護フィルム SL2」が追加。Key Featuresは「47MP CMOS」「Maestro III Processor」「4K VIDEO」「In body stabilization」「Object Detection AF」「Dust and spraywater resistant」「Cine Mode」「Fotos App Object detect AF could be like what Sony has..."AI-based object recognition" based on a database in the camera software. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted October 27, 2019 Share #108 Posted October 27, 2019 vor 59 Minuten schrieb frame-it: ライカの最新商品リストに「ライカSL2」「HG-SCL6」「RC-SCL6」「液晶保護フィルム SL2」が追加。Key Featuresは「47MP CMOS」「Maestro III Processor」「4K VIDEO」「In body stabilization」「Object Detection AF」「Dust and spraywater resistant」「Cine Mode」「Fotos App Object detect AF could be like what Sony has..."AI-based object recognition" based on a database in the camera software. No, by Object detect AF they mean ToFAF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedro Posted October 27, 2019 Share #109 Posted October 27, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Agent M10 said: Killjoy: A killjoy is a person who spoils all the fun for everybody. You may be a killjoy if everyone's enjoying their meal at a restaurant and you complain constantly about the terrible service. I see, thank you. So that includes you, given that you are constantly complaining about other customers in the restaurant instead of eating? I have expressed doubts about one product, I am not sure why it bothers you so much but I guess it says more about you than it does about me. I am dropping this as we are hijacking the trail with a discussion that I am sure is of zero interest to anyone else Edited October 27, 2019 by Fedro 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 27, 2019 Share #110 Posted October 27, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, scott kirkpatrick said: Well, the reviews came back and with no direct competitor, Leica decided on a major revision. Makes sense to me. No direct competitor? Only if you look at the specs very narrowly, and even if that were true the current price tag far outweighs that argument I feel. Edited October 27, 2019 by Guest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted October 27, 2019 Share #111 Posted October 27, 2019 1 hour ago, SlowDriver said: No direct competitor? Only if you look at the specs very narrowly, and even if that were true the current price tag far outweighs that argument I feel. There are lots of medium format cameras, but none with the same mix of features as the S: weather-resistance, great fast modern lenses, huge autonomy, high speed, leaf shutter (on most lenses). It sits in a niche between the ultra-expensive studio kings from PhaseOne and Hasselblad, and the cheaper mirrorless A7r-competitors from Fuji and (again) Hasselblad. I think that a lot of people here are disappointed that Leica didn't take a more amateur focus for the S (because they have no reason to buy it), but you can't fault Leica for identifying an under-served market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron777 Posted October 27, 2019 Share #112 Posted October 27, 2019 41 minutes ago, BernardC said: There are lots of medium format cameras, but none with the same mix of features as the S: weather-resistance, great fast modern lenses, huge autonomy, high speed, leaf shutter (on most lenses). It sits in a niche between the ultra-expensive studio kings from PhaseOne and Hasselblad, and the cheaper mirrorless A7r-competitors from Fuji and (again) Hasselblad. I think that a lot of people here are disappointed that Leica didn't take a more amateur focus for the S (because they have no reason to buy it), but you can't fault Leica for identifying an under-served market. Excuse me for commenting in re, "cheaper mirrorless"? Perhaps less costly would have been a better choice of words. And how do you conceive of a Fuji GFX100, or even a 50s as being a Sony A7r competitor? I own all three, the Sony being an A7rIII, and I can attest to the fact that your comparison is bizarre. And if you are singling out the fact that they are all mirrorless, as Bill Clinton once said, "that dog won't hunt". 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted October 27, 2019 Share #113 Posted October 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, ron777 said: And how do you conceive of a Fuji GFX100, or even a 50s as being a Sony A7r competitor? My local camera store tells me that they sell to customers who previously bought the high-megapixel Sony cameras. So maybe not a competitor but rather an upgrade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron777 Posted October 27, 2019 Share #114 Posted October 27, 2019 (edited) Upgrade to MF, not an upgrade within FF. It's about moving to a different aspect ratio, larger sensor, greater detail acquisition and so on. My original transition from MF to FF had been coincident with the onset of the digital camera era, and now, with the advent of LESS COSTLY digital medium format cameras I have transitioned back. Wishful thinking has provoked those so inclined to assume that high MP FF cameras can assimilate the output of MF but, IMO, once one has moved away from the degraded jpg photos portrayed over the Internet, the difference between FF and MF becomes glaringly obvious. Edited October 27, 2019 by ron777 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted October 28, 2019 Share #115 Posted October 28, 2019 On 10/25/2019 at 4:33 PM, Luca said: I ordered my sl2 with no deposit at Zurich store. same happened for q2 and received it even vey quickly. same also for 50sl f2 arriving shortly next week They are always very kind to help you. You said you ordered your SL2 without any deposit. Obviously you have placed your order ahead of me. I have just placed a $5.7k deposit for SL2 today to Leica. Let’s see who gets the SL2 earlier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo98 Posted October 28, 2019 Share #116 Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, sillbeers15 said: You said you ordered your SL2 without any deposit. Obviously you have placed your order ahead of me. I have just placed a $5.7k deposit for SL2 today to Leica. Let’s see who gets the SL2 earlier. 5700 US is the price of the SL2?? Or is that only deposit? Edited October 28, 2019 by Donzo98 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luca Posted October 28, 2019 Share #117 Posted October 28, 2019 11 hours ago, sillbeers15 said: You said you ordered your SL2 without any deposit. Obviously you have placed your order ahead of me. I have just placed a $5.7k deposit for SL2 today to Leica. Let’s see who gets the SL2 earlier. ah ah, consider that they have already your money not mine and if they want they need to give me my sl2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scroy Posted October 28, 2019 Share #118 Posted October 28, 2019 5 hours ago, Donzo98 said: 5700 US is the price of the SL2?? Or is that only deposit? 5700 US would be an extremely attractive price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted October 28, 2019 Share #119 Posted October 28, 2019 5 hours ago, Donzo98 said: 5700 US is the price of the SL2?? Or is that only deposit? Deposit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted October 29, 2019 Share #120 Posted October 29, 2019 5 hours ago, Luca said: ah ah, consider that they have already your money not mine and if they want they need to give me my sl2 Let’s see! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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