farnz Posted August 3, 2007 Share #21 Posted August 3, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Pete, It was me, Wilson, that was interested in a Minox M3. I doubt that Carsten would be seen dead with one. Wilson Oops, sorry Wilson and Carston. (Note to self: put brain into gear before typing.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 3, 2007 Posted August 3, 2007 Hi farnz, Take a look here Small Back-up digital for M8 - Minox M3????. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
wlaidlaw Posted August 3, 2007 Author Share #22 Posted August 3, 2007 hmm, following a recent flying visit to my Dad I seem to have aquired a 75 Summilux-M Am I the only one who doesnt get the digi-compact backup idea? Shooting film I was happy using an XA or a GR-1 as a tiny, pocketable, backup. But now there is such a huge difference in IQ between a DSLR or M8 and a compact. I have tried several, including the GR-D, but I always end up asking myself why I bothered. Either I want to take a picture, in which case I want it to be as good as possible, or I dont..... Guy ps Dimage Xg for sale! Guy, I was using my back up less and less, which is why I reluctantly was prepared to let my son walk off with my Canon Ixus 850IS. I use the M8 and the Elmar-M 50 when I need a smaller camera. However there are times when you really need something that will fit in a shirt pocket and you would need a damn big one for the M8 + Elmar. I also rather fancied one of those little M3's but the image quality does not look great on that Japanese website. I am not in any rush, so I will wait until I get back to the UK at the end of September and try one of the Minoxes then. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted August 3, 2007 Share #23 Posted August 3, 2007 What about the Ricoh GRD? Robert White - Other 35mm Camera Equipment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted August 3, 2007 Share #24 Posted August 3, 2007 ...Am I the only one who doesnt get the digi-compact backup idea?Shooting film I was happy using an XA or a GR-1 as a tiny, pocketable, backup. But now there is such a huge difference in IQ between a DSLR or M8 and a compact. I have tried several, including the GR-D, but I always end up asking myself why I bothered. Either I want to take a picture, in which case I want it to be as good as possible, or I dont..... This is the type of thinking that I couldn't disagree with more. As far as 35mm film cameras are concerned the results from cameras such as the GR-1 can be very close to that of a Leica-M because they are both shooting with 35mm film. Now, a camera like the M8 is a completely different type of format from a small-sensor camera because the sensot of the latter is so small. Indeed, as Sean Reid has stated in his reviews, the M8 produces results that are like scanned medium-format film; and that cannot be compapred with pcitures from small-sensor cameras that have a sensor the size of the fingernail the size of your pinky. But the best small-sensor cameras can produces picture that are similar to those of 35mm film. And this is the reason that I use the GR-D and the D-Lux 3: I like the "35mm aesthetic and don't want the type of medum-format look that the M8 produces — to use an M8 I would have to shoot at ISO 1250 or 2500 and that is awfully fast for a place with bright light like Bangkok, where I live. Wilson, in terms of what you would want for a backup camera to the M8, it depends on what quality pcitures you wanted and how much you wanted to spend. If you go for the best, you should get a Ricoh GX100 or a D-Lux 3, or a Ricoh GR-D of you like a 28mm lens without a zoom. Here are a few pictures to show that small-sensor cameras are not toys, the first three shot with the D-Lux 3 and the fourth with the GR-D: —Mitch/Potomac, MD Mitch Alland's slideshow on Flickr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guywalder Posted August 3, 2007 Share #25 Posted August 3, 2007 Mitch, I think we agree completely! at least in so far as the IQ of the two types of camera are very different (so you prefer one, and I the other). While I also agree that the M8 (and D2X and and and) files are rather too anticeptic, one big reason why I prefer that type of camera is selective focus (less than FF 35mm, but much more than compacts). If you prefer lots of DOF then you may well have a different opinion! Guy ps my GR-D also had a lens which was soft in one corner Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guywalder Posted August 3, 2007 Share #26 Posted August 3, 2007 Guy, However there are times when you really need something that will fit in a shirt pocket and you would need a damn big one for the M8 + Elmar. Wilson what about an individually tailored shirt then?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted August 3, 2007 Share #27 Posted August 3, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) If you're looking the Ricohs, why don't you pick up a GX100? it's way more flexible in daily shooting with its 24-70/2.8-3.5 zoom lens. Same form factor ... and image quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Metroman Posted August 3, 2007 Share #28 Posted August 3, 2007 Could always go for the Digital Rollei TLR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 3, 2007 Author Share #29 Posted August 3, 2007 Now I have got out of the habit of twisting the zoom control and using my feet, I feel I can do without a zoom lens, especially if that confers added quality and lens speed. I have heard others complaining about QC on Ricoh lenses and that worries me. I am not wholly convinced they are not somewhat overpriced also. I can get a GR-D for £250, which seems quite a bit but maybe compared to a Noctilux - perhaps not. It's only £50 more than I paid for the 1.25X magnifier. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 3, 2007 Author Share #30 Posted August 3, 2007 Could always go for the Digital Rollei TLR Andy, I would need a flame coming out of my head before I did that <big grin> Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4season Posted August 3, 2007 Share #31 Posted August 3, 2007 I have a Fuji F30 right now, and I expect to get one of these when it becomes available: Max ISO is 6400: Dare I hope that 3200 looks pretty good, and 1600 looks great? My P&S does certain things that the M8 doesn't, like focus down to 5 cm with TTL viewing, and give me loads of DOF at all non-macro ranges, and sometimes that's just what I want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
norm_snyder Posted August 3, 2007 Share #32 Posted August 3, 2007 Now that a replacement M8 returned from NJ, I have less need for a digital back up, but an interesting thing occurred while it was away, in that while I started shooting an M6 and with the same lenses, I ended up, as a "carry around" using a IIIa with a 50mm coated Elmar. I realized that the real issue was always having a camera with me; something I'd been doing for all of my adult life, but stopped doing with the M8. If anything, since right now I would prefer to shoot digital, the Ricoh is making more and more sense...I wonder if there is really going to be an update with Raw buffer later this year...after all, October is only two months away. Hell...it's begun again. Cheers, Norm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoskeptic Posted August 4, 2007 Share #33 Posted August 4, 2007 Frankly I like my Panasonic LX-1 as a digital backup. Thom Hogan is conducting some kind of survey on pocket digicams and the LX-2 came up tops (so far) with a note that the LX-1 had better DR due to it's larger pixel size. I couldn't agree more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 4, 2007 Author Share #34 Posted August 4, 2007 One sine qua non for me would have to be an optical viewfinder. I briefly had a Sony T10 before I had a burglary at my house in France last year and I just hated this "holding a camera out at arms length". I can't compose a photo that way - too ossified. I also would prefer to take in RAW, as I have got so used to the C1 RAW workflow with the M8 and I think the images are far superior. Are the little Ricoh's the only small cameras that take in RAW, albeit according to Sean Reid's Review, painfully slowly with no RAW buffer? If Norm is right and one is coming, I would happily wait for that, now that it looks as if I was right and the Minox M3 Plus really is a bit of a silly toy. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted August 4, 2007 Share #35 Posted August 4, 2007 Wilson, there are some small p&s that can shoot RAW. The S70 that I jokingly mentioned above is one. However Canon dropped RAW as an option with it's successor the S80. I'd have a look around the camera reviews on Dpreview as they usually mention all of the formats that a particular camera is capable of shooting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted August 4, 2007 Share #36 Posted August 4, 2007 Now I have got out of the habit of twisting the zoom control and using my feet, I feel I can do without a zoom lens, especially if that confers added quality and lens speed. I have heard others complaining about QC on Ricoh lenses and that worries me. I am not wholly convinced they are not somewhat overpriced also. I can get a GR-D for £250, which seems quite a bit but maybe compared to a Noctilux - perhaps not. It's only £50 more than I paid for the 1.25X magnifier. Wilson Another vote for gx100: faster raw write time than GRD! 24mm + there is a function you can uso se the zoom in steps (I think its 24-28-35-50.70), its a bit like using primes therefore a little more distorsion than grd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guy Posted August 4, 2007 Share #37 Posted August 4, 2007 For real backup I choose a Richoh GX100. Me too. Superb little camera with lots and lots of manual control and a 24-70mm equivalent f2.5 lens! Leave it in AP mode and don't take the ISO over 400 and it's a genuine pocketable alternative to your main kit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 4, 2007 Author Share #38 Posted August 4, 2007 Me too. Superb little camera with lots and lots of manual control and a 24-70mm equivalent f2.5 lens! Leave it in AP mode and don't take the ISO over 400 and it's a genuine pocketable alternative to your main kit. Can someone explain the battery situation with the GX100. Some sites say 2 x AAA whereas some sites say a DB-60 rechargeable lithium. What does the camera come with and does it have a charger, as again some sites seem to offer the charger as an extra - confusing! Is the EVF any good? Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankg Posted August 4, 2007 Share #39 Posted August 4, 2007 They could make an evolution of the D-lux 3. Fixed 35mm 2.5 or 2.8 equivalent lens to get max quality at min size and cost. A really good small fixed optical finder (that will likely add $200 to the cost right there). Some simple chunky analogue controls. A little tilt and swing flash (for the real P&S types) with a simple fill flash mode. There should be a mode for hyperfocal distance and the finder's parallax correction should be set to that distance. Sell it for around $800. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/30237-small-back-up-digital-for-m8-minox-m3/?do=findComment&comment=321405'>More sharing options...
guywalder Posted August 4, 2007 Share #40 Posted August 4, 2007 on the other hand, if Leica reduced the price of the M8 (instead of putting it up!) just think how many people would snap up a second body for back-up, sales would go through the roof...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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