*4* New Summarits

[andybarton]

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no, not really, its more like Porsche introducing the Boxster as a more affordable entry level model,

 

But, the Boxster has been an unreliable dog, by all accounts.

 

I remember riding in one about 5 years ago, and it was like riding in a pram.

[sean_reid]

If there is a realistic possibility of a full frame M9 in 3 years then maybe it doesn't make sense to make one or two digital-crop lenses. But I doubt we will see full frame in the near future and when it does happen I would be surprised if cropped sensor didn't continue to be offered in a lower cost M making digital lenses viable for quite a long time.

 

We'll see about full frame.

 

Cheers,

 

Sean

[guywalder]

But, the Boxster has been an unreliable dog, by all accounts.

 

I remember riding in one about 5 years ago, and it was like riding in a pram.

 

its remarkably long lived if its really a dog! My arm was in plaster when I drove one, so I wasnt in the best position to evaluate. The point I was trying to make is that a boxster has been very good at attracting sales to people who would like a Porsche but cant/wont pay for a 911, but without fallng into the trap of being seen to be too 'cheap' ala 924.

 

Anyway, let see how these things perform before getting carried away with analogies....

[wlaidlaw]

What horror stories?

 

Jim Bielecki

 

Jim

 

Where have you been for the last 6 months? This forum has been stuffed to the gills with wailing 35 Cron and Lux owners who have lenses that are not only miles out of focus but if they are in focus wide open, have such extreme aperture shift that the POF falls way outside the DOF when stopped down. My Noctilux was nearly 2 meters out of focus at 8 meters after coding. Some people's 35 Luxes have had three visits back to Solms and are still wrong - that is a horror story. That is why for 35 mm lenses, I chose a CZ 35 f2.0 Biogon and a 35 f1.2 CV Nokton. I have various Leica lenses for other focal lengths.

 

Wilson

[guywalder]

Jim

 

Where have you been for the last 6 months? This forum has been stuffed to the gills with wailing 35 Cron and Lux owners who have lenses that are not only miles out of focus but if they are in focus wide open, have such extreme aperture shift that the POF falls way outside the DOF when stopped down. My Noctilux was nearly 2 meters out of focus at 8 meters after coding. Some people's 35 Luxes have had three visits back to Solms and are still wrong - that is a horror story. That is why for 35 mm lenses, I chose a CZ 35 f2.0 Biogon and a 35 f1.2 CV Nokton. I have various Leica lenses for other focal lengths.

 

Wilson

 

does that make it ironic that my 35 summicron is the only one of my 3 lenses which was perfect on both M7 and M8 straight out of the box? Or is it just the exception to prove the rule..?

[Iron Flatline]

I think I'm going to get the 90mm.

[arthury]

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REF: JPG Proofs on their website

 

I noticed (under their PerformanceProofs/Performance 1 JPG for the 90mm) , the light sources are round near the center and they become elliptical when they get closer to the edge: it's a clear sign of the existence of coma. Mild but they are certainly there.

[hankg]

We'll see about full frame.

 

Cheers,

 

Sean

 

Wow, that sounds like you are expecting it in the not to distant future. If that's the case I wouldn't see the need for cropped sensor lenses either. Looks like I'll be going through this whole lens selection thing again, just when I thought I had everything worked out.

[lct]

......I'll again state that I do not see reduced frame coverage lenses as being the direction that Leica is going in...

The result being that there are no small/fast wides for the M8.

Is this the new politics in force at Leica?

[guywalder]

seems to be the politic in force everywhere except Sigma... so as well as having a greater depth of field forced on you for a given view, then then have to accept even more DOF as the lens is slow.... all very frustrating!

Bring on the bigger sensors saqy I !

Guy

[jflachmann]

Some more information from "Leica bei Meister", one of the most important Leica dealers in Germany:

 

Lenshood for 35/ 50 = 125 Euro

Lenshood for 75/ 90 = 80 Euro

 

Both will be sold with a special cap.

 

Leica bei Meister: LEICA bei MEISTER

[ho_co]

Lenshood for 35/ 50 = 125 Euro

Lenshood for 75/ 90 = 80 Euro

 

Both will be sold with a special cap.

 

Thanks for the info, Jens!

 

Borrowing another idea from Zeiss here, are we? Same hood fits multiple lenses. But I don't think you get a cap with the Zeiss hoods, so in some sense, Leica wins for both price and accessories, or is at least far ahead of the pack.

 

--HC

 

 

Uh-oh. Second thoughts. That's not the same cap as at LFI International, is it?

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[wlaidlaw]

Thanks for the info, Jens!

 

Borrowing another idea from Zeiss here, are we? Same hood fits multiple lenses. But I don't think you get a cap with the Zeiss hoods, so in some sense, Leica wins for both price and accessories, or is at least far ahead of the pack.

 

--HC

 

 

Uh-oh. Second thoughts. That's not the same cap as at LFI International, is it?

 

Howard,

 

You don't need a cap for Zeiss with the hood as the same pieces of junk they give you for the bare lens fit inside. How you get them on and off is another matter. I have little crescents of double sided sponge tape on the squeeze tabs, otherwise as you remove the cap it either squirts back onto the lens or falls out of your fingers over the cliff.

 

Wilson

[xjr]

This is , perhaps, a logical development. The present series of aspherical optics and extremely fast 75mm and 50 Noct have perhaps reached a limit in optical and mechanical performance and any advancement beyond will make the price seriously prohibitive. In fact there is nothing to compare with the present lenses on the market both optically and to be more precise, mechanically. Therefore what better avenue than the one chosen. An affordable series of lenses with a matching name from the past ! ..and this is going to hurt Zeiss and as for CV personally I do not think they in the ... same race though some of their lenses are very good indeed for the price. I believe that a cheaper 135mm will appear and perhaps f4 in 21mm and 24mm...even 18mm.

[Kent10D]

You don't need a cap for Zeiss with the hood as the same pieces of junk they give you for the bare lens fit inside ... (snip) ... otherwise as you remove the cap it either squirts back onto the lens or falls out of your fingers over the cliff.

 

Thank heaven I'm not the only one! Those darn Zeiss lens caps are alive!

 

Love the lenses, hate the caps. Interesting idea for solving the problem, Wilson. I'll have to mull that one over a bit.

[sdai]

The result being that there are no small/fast wides for the M8.

Is this the new politics in force at Leica?

 

Have you noticed those cosmetic changes on the new Summarits and read Leica's news release closely enough? that smells like the appetizer before a complete lineup refresh to me.

[marknorton]

If I have a concern about the Summarits, it's that they only cover "normal" and up, thinking of "normal" as being 50mm FF equivalent angle of view.

 

There's just one wider Leica lens which is reasonably priced - the 28/2.8 ASPH which is making the Leica wide end look weak. Zeiss have their 21 and 25, CV their 12 and 15 (amongst others). The next job for Leica has to be a coherent set of lower cost offerings below 28mm. With the rumoured price hike in the WATE, the urgency is now more than ever. They also need to prune the older lenses. 4 90s? 5 50s?

 

Oh, and for those of us willing to dig deep, we need at least one faster wide-angle than we already have. One Noctiux and now just two Summiluxes.

[marknorton]

But, the Boxster has been an unreliable dog, by all accounts.

 

I remember riding in one about 5 years ago, and it was like riding in a pram.

 

I was driven around the Porsche Weissach test track in one by a chassis development engineer last year. A pram (for our US friends, a "pram" in English is a "baby carriage" in US-speak) it is not. Hugely competent it is.

[ho_co]

You don't need a cap for Zeiss with the hood as the same pieces of junk they give you for the bare lens fit inside. How you get them on and off is another matter. I have little crescents of double sided sponge tape on the squeeze tabs, otherwise as you remove the cap it either squirts back onto the lens or falls out of your fingers over the cliff.

Wow! That's the same I get with my Nikkors. Except that the hoods fall off first. But since they're big and flimsy and plastic, you usually hear them go. And so does everyone else within 50 yards.

 

 

Who was it said sell the bodies cheap and make it up on the lenses? Even better here--make it up on the replacement caps!

 

--HC

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Lotsa cheap plastic on the top line cars as well:)