APO-Summicron- wasted on film?

[ianman]

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[pedaes]

11 hours ago, jaapv said:

The APO Summicron is more likely wasted on digital screens IMO.

Totally agree - but not so for digital prints.That said, a Monochrom probably makes more difference on B&W prints than the lens - but a Monochrom and APO-Summicron (IF you want some 'bite'...)

[Jon Warwick]

The APO has very high edge sharpness (acuity) and records fine detail with high contrast.

To my taste, it’s almost too much for digital, imho, but combines really well with the inherent smoothness provided by film.

The key things about the APO is its sharpness wide open, and lack of field curvature. It also balances really well on the film M bodies. Finally, it’s the highest quality construction M lens that I’ve owned. 

[sicko]

There is a like-new 2011 APO-Sonnar 50 for sale near me for the equivalent of $4,900 USD, however it doesn't come with box or anything. I'm wondering if this is a good deal, and also how big a deal breaker the lack of box + papers is in case I decide to sell or trade in the future? 

[Guest JMF]

9 minutes ago, sicko said:

There is a like-new 2011 APO-Sonnar 50 for sale near me for the equivalent of $4,900 USD, however it doesn't come with box or anything. I'm wondering if this is a good deal, and also how big a deal breaker the lack of box + papers is in case I decide to sell or trade in the future? 

Buy the lens and you won't regret it ! 

[sicko]

1 minute ago, JMF said:

Buy the lens and you won't regret it ! 

yes, i'm aiming to buy the lens, but first would like to know if it's a good price and if the fact that it doesn't have a box or papers would be a big issue in the future if/when i decide to sell or trade it. 

[jdlaing]

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You don’t buy one of those to sell it.

[sicko]

1 minute ago, jdlaing said:

You don’t buy one of those to sell it.

not sure what that means? if you don't like it, you sell it and move on. simple. just thinking ahead and making sure i won't have an issue if/when that happens. 

[Guest JMF]

3 minutes ago, sicko said:

not sure what that means? if you don't like it, you sell it and move on. simple. just thinking ahead and making sure i won't have an issue if/when that happens. 

It is a good price even without papers and box providing the seller is reliable .

[benqui]

vor 13 Stunden schrieb sicko:

lovely stuff, thank you for linking! makes me wonder why so many people have told me the apo wouldn't be ideal for portraits. have you ever compared to the summilux 50 asph? would be curious to know how you find them to compare.

also really love the images taken on the apo-90 in your gallery- it's another lens i'm interested in, though i'm not sure if i'd get that or the summilux 75 or summicron 75... tough choice! 

Glad you like it sicko. I can not compare the Apo with the 50 Summilux on film because I used the Summilux 50 only digitally on a SL (and both are sold). To me the combination of 50 and 90 is perfect for portraits. The difference between 50 mm and 75 is too less for me. If I want a 75 perspective with my 50mm, I just go one step closer. But the 90mm is a great lens for close ups and it is not so difficult to focus like a 135mm lens.

[lexontario]

 

"There is a like-new 2011 APO-Sonnar 50 for sale near me for the equivalent of $4,900 USD, "

What is a APO Sonnar 50 ??

 

 

 

[wizard]

vor 37 Minuten schrieb lexontario:

What is a APO Sonnar 50 ??

Very good question. I do not know any Zeiss APO Sonnar 50 lens (and it must be a Zeiss lens if its name is Sonnar), and google does not bring up any hit on that one as well.

[a.noctilux]

Cheap Apo Sonnar

Sorry, it's 2/135mm

[adan]

I would say a hard-cutting APO lens is even more useful on film (taking pictures on - more or less -- dried Jello) than on digital, where a certain amount of extra "edge-function" is built right into the medium.

[Herr Barnack]

On 9/2/2019 at 7:46 PM, sicko said:

There is a like-new 2011 APO-Sonnar 50 for sale near me for the equivalent of $4,900 USD, however it doesn't come with box or anything. I'm wondering if this is a good deal, and also how big a deal breaker the lack of box + papers is in case I decide to sell or trade in the future? 

I'm guessing you meant APO Summicron 50, since a new APO Sonnar 50 (made by Zeiss) in chrome sells for $1135 USD:  https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/446177-REG/Zeiss_1407_067_50mm_f_1_5_ZM_Lens.html

If it is a Leica M APO Summicron 50 offered for $4900 USD, that's a savings of $3095 USD compared to the price of a new APO Summicron 50. 

If it is in mint condition, I would grab it immediately.  I cannot see where the box, papers, leather zip up case and warranty are worth anywhere near $3095 USD.

If you use your lenses with reasonable care, the chances are very slim that you would ever need to send it off for a warranty service, and there's nothing wrong with judicious purchasing from the used market.

As someone above observed, an APO Summicron 50  is a keeper.  There's no reason to think of it in any other terms.  Current production M cameras and lenses are not investment vehicles to use for building a retirement portfolio. 

[lexontario]

hmm seems there is No Zeiss APO Sonnar 50. The Zeiss is a C Sonnar T*50mm f/1,5 ZM

Make sure you dont pay $4900 USD and get a Zeiss Lens.

Myself  I would only by if  it was local and could inspect the lens first hand before buying.

I dont have luck buying on ebay or forums from private sellers.Just turns to a headache with returns and currency exchange.

Good luck

 

[low325]

It will be difficult to sell such a high priced item without the oem packaging.  Buyers at that price (excluding yourself) are conscious stubborn. 

If indeed know you want it. Buy it and never look back. I’ve seen some ads in other forums for 5K complete. But again, it’s not an in person transaction but you may have the convenience to inspect before handing over any money.   

[indergaard]

Well, according to historical Leica pricing, an APO-Summilux would be about twice the price of the current APO-Summicron. Which means about 70% more (depending on market/country) than the current Noctilux 0.95/ASPH. It's safe to say that I will never even remotely consider it even if I had the cash laying around At one price point a lens is simply not worth it, regardless.

An APO-Summilux will never cost the same or less than an APO-Summicron. It will be about twice as expensive.

Edited September 6, 2019 by indergaard

[indergaard]

1 hour ago, indergaard said:

Well, according to historical Leica pricing, an APO-Summilux would be about twice the price of the current APO-Summicron. Which means about 70% more (depending on market/country) than the current Noctilux 0.95/ASPH. It's safe to say that I will never even remotely consider it even if I had the cash laying around At one price point a lens is simply not worth it, regardless.

An APO-Summilux will never cost the same or less than an APO-Summicron. It will be about twice as expensive.

Eh. I posted in the wrong thread. This was supposed to go in the thread regarding the APO-Summilux rumor. If any mod can delete the post that would be great, as I have no ability to edit it.

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[albertknappmd]

the APO cron is my favorite and the best lens Leica makes...

Definitely worth getting..

Albert