a.noctilux Posted September 3, 2019 Share #41 Posted September 3, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 28 minutes ago, romualdo said: Hammertone just doesn't do it for me either but what's piquing my curiosity is that lightmeter - was that factory made as a new item or were (the 50units) they refurbished old/original meters Sorry Romualdo, I don't have answer for that. "Reworked Leicameter MR4", more informations here My bad, only 25 pieces (not 50 as stated) for 25th Anniversary of Leica Shop Wien Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wattsy Posted September 3, 2019 Share #42 Posted September 3, 2019 30 minutes ago, romualdo said: that lightmeter - was that factory made as a new item or were (the 50units) they refurbished old/original meters I guess you'd have to ask Leica. I would have thought that they were refurbished units. If they had been a new production run from scratch I would have expected Leica to offer a non-hammertone version as a £500 or so collectable accessory for non-metered M film camera owners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted September 3, 2019 Share #43 Posted September 3, 2019 3 hours ago, romualdo said: Hammertone just doesn't do it for me either but what's piquing my curiosity is that lightmeter - was that factory made as a new item or were (the 50units) they refurbished old/original meters Remember that the Leicameter was not made by Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted September 3, 2019 Share #44 Posted September 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, Matlock said: Remember that the Leicameter was not made by Leica. Read behind one of mine: Leica-METER MR Metrawatt A.G. Nürnberg now Gossen Metrawatt no more new Leica-Meter MR 😏 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted September 3, 2019 Share #45 Posted September 3, 2019 On 9/1/2019 at 6:56 PM, pico said: My two bits worth. I used 35mm cameras with no integrated light meter even after my peers got their first Nikon FTNs (I think that's correct) and for twenty years I was okay with exposures on 35mm. I used a Gossen hand-held. After I got my first M7 I was gobsmacked by how consistent exposures were. Contact sheets were acceptable to any editor. Hello Pico, Part of it might be that with an M7 you choose the aperture & the camera chooses the shutter speed. Even fractions of a shutter speed. Aperture preferred metering. And also, with M7's there is always the nagging question of whether or not the exposure system took into regard the little boxes on the film cartridge that told the camera the actual ISO of the film in that cartridge & what its latitude is. With M1's thru M5's you could use fractional shutter speeds in many situations. Even though not that many people did that. I don't know how many models chronologically after the M5 that you can use fractional shutter speeds with. Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted September 3, 2019 Share #46 Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Michael Geschlecht said: And also, with M7's there is always the nagging question of whether or not the exposure system took into regard the little boxes on the film cartridge that told the camera the actual ISO of the film in that cartridge & what its latitude is. That never concerned me. I set the ISO manually and know each film's latitude. Edited September 3, 2019 by pico 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted September 3, 2019 Share #47 Posted September 3, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello Pico, That is interesting. When you set the ISO manually did you also set the shutter speed? Or did you let the camera do that? I don't remember which film was +2 , -1. Was it High Speed Ekatachrome? Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted September 3, 2019 Share #48 Posted September 3, 2019 38 minutes ago, Michael Geschlecht said: That is interesting. When you set the ISO manually did you also set the shutter speed? Or did you let the camera do that? I let the camera set the speed because I already know the upper/lower boundaries of its choice. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted September 3, 2019 Share #49 Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) Michael, I am not particularly sophisticated except in my programming career. My photo life is best described as working in 'best fit parameters' and fortunately photo processes have long been malleable. No editor in my career gave me grief for technique, although the idea of working for adan would give me pause. Edited September 3, 2019 by pico 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted September 3, 2019 Share #50 Posted September 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, pico said: Michael, I am not particularly sophisticated except in my programming career. My photo life is best described as working in 'best fit parameters' and fortunately photo processes have long been malleable. No editor in my career gave me grief for technique, although the idea of working for adan would give me pause. Hello Pico, I have seen some of your photos. You are both modest & highly skilled. Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogie2You Posted November 18, 2019 Share #51 Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) Why not buy a Fed 3 RF just to find out if meter less suits you Edited November 18, 2019 by Boogie2You Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted November 20, 2019 Share #52 Posted November 20, 2019 On 11/18/2019 at 7:47 PM, Boogie2You said: Why not buy a Fed 3 RF just to find out if meter less suits you Wondering what is FED 3 I see now that FED 3 would detract Leica lovers from RF Leica 😨 beauties like MP or M-A or other Leica M 😇 ... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/300942-mp-vs-m-a/?do=findComment&comment=3858155'>More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted August 9, 2021 Share #53 Posted August 9, 2021 (edited) May it be that I use to M esthetic ? M-A + old Summicron 50 ...IS beauty personified Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! even with not same hue of silver 🙃 Edited August 9, 2021 by a.noctilux 10 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! even with not same hue of silver 🙃 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/300942-mp-vs-m-a/?do=findComment&comment=4253852'>More sharing options...
01af Posted August 9, 2021 Share #54 Posted August 9, 2021 vor 4 Stunden schrieb a.noctilux: M-A + old Summicron 50 mm ... IS beauty personified [...] Umm ... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leon Berg Posted August 9, 2021 Share #55 Posted August 9, 2021 Hello everyone, just saw this thread coming up again, how are the thoughts and feelings towards the M-A - MP decision? I sold my black paint MP, that I bought used, a lovely camera, but I just want the M-A. And will get me a chrome version of it sometime soon. Whats that story behind the covered battery door in the M-A body? There is an actual whole that has been just filled or sticked over with something? Why would the M-A have problems with film advancing but the MP not? My MP had to be sent in to Leica because of a mount problem, it was 6 weeks old, when I bought it from the first owner. I wanna perfect body! I wanna perfect soul! (Lil rock music reference here..) I prefer the meterless body, and I am happy to hear that the M-A has a slightly "better", more direct shutter, better framelines(?) and allegedly brighter viewfinder. Of course you like to hear and read what confirms your thoughts and decisions anyways, right? 😆 Thank you for your thoughts on this. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted August 9, 2021 Share #56 Posted August 9, 2021 @Leon Berg I don't think so that M-A is better than MP. While I used them along, just saw some subtle differences but if not used along would be ignored by many users. In 90% of time M-A = MP with no battery as so many people stated. My most benefit is in the viewfinder, no aggressive red LED, complete bottom lines, I even saw some more contrast in M-A vf (maybe non sense here). Then I do appreciate lack of battery cover 😇 (or selftimer of older M4 etc., better grip, maybe ?) like I stated here, for horizontal or vertical framing Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/300942-mp-vs-m-a/?do=findComment&comment=4254167'>More sharing options...
Leon Berg Posted August 10, 2021 Share #57 Posted August 10, 2021 vor 8 Stunden schrieb a.noctilux: @Leon Berg I don't think so that M-A is better than MP. While I used them along, just saw some subtle differences but if not used along would be ignored by many users. In 90% of time M-A = MP with no battery as so many people stated. My most benefit is in the viewfinder, no aggressive red LED, complete bottom lines, I even saw some more contrast in M-A vf (maybe non sense here). Then I do appreciate lack of battery cover 😇 (or selftimer of older M4 etc., better grip, maybe ?) like I stated here, for horizontal or vertical framing Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Thank you for the insight. I was curious to understand what lack of battery cover meant? Is there a whole underneath, meaning that just a thin plate is covering the battery whole? Maybe because the use the same base as the MP and just cover it up? Also, what’s with the rumors about advance problems? I know to many it sounds like nonsense, but for me being purely mechanical without any metering aid is also a whole different philosophy and changes the experience. I had the M3 and very much loved it. the MP I had was wonderful, too, but I couldn’t just take out the battery, that’s not working for me. I am looking forward to my chrome version that I want to get around end of the year. May I ask if there is the possibility to get a plate without serial number and engravings? Not a big fan of the „Leica Camera Wetzlar Germany“ on top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stray cat Posted August 10, 2021 Share #58 Posted August 10, 2021 12 hours ago, Leon Berg said: I wanna perfect body! I wanna perfect soul! (Lil rock music reference here..) Creep! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Soare Posted August 10, 2021 Share #59 Posted August 10, 2021 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Leon Berg said: May I ask if there is the possibility to get a plate without serial number and engravings? Not a big fan of the „Leica Camera Wetzlar Germany“ on top. You can get a black M-A. There's no engraving on the black one. I wanted a completely mechanical camera, since I use a handheld meter and don't trust in-camera ones. If the M-A hadn't existed, I would have bought an M-P and never put batteries in it. But I'd rather go all the way and get the real thing, rather than settle for a compromise. Personally, I find the battery cover ugly. It looks like a big mole on its cheek. I could live with it if I had no choice (or if I actually needed the meter), but it's nice that I don't have to. Edited August 10, 2021 by Vlad Soare 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted August 10, 2021 Share #60 Posted August 10, 2021 13 minutes ago, Vlad Soare said: Personally, I find the battery cover ugly. It looks like a big mole on its cheek. Personaly I rather like the battery cover, reminds me somewhat of my IIf. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/300942-mp-vs-m-a/?do=findComment&comment=4254330'>More sharing options...
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