rumors SL2 with 36MP sensor only

[jonoslack]

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5 minutes ago, sillbeers15 said:

I really hope that Leica will not disappoint us with the SL2. But what the hell, S1R is available as the back up plan for me.

So do I!

I've just read the whole of this thread, lots of interesting information and generally good natured. 

All the best

 

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[thighslapper]

1 hour ago, colonel said:

I have used all of those, and also Olympus and Panasonic

All IBIS systems work great by minimising camera shake when your are handheld.  In some cases the image produced can be pitch sharp. However to obtain the higherst probability of the sharpest picture, particularly in studio or controlled environments, image stabilisation should be switched off.

etc etc.

well all of that is fine in theory but I have not found any discernible issues in practice.

IBIS +/- Lens OIS has been on permanently since I received my S1R. One of the Lumix reps at the NEC Photography show actually stated it was beneficial in tripod use as it reduces micro vibrations. 

The image I posted a few pages ago with the 75/2 was tripod based and IBIS on. These considerations may have been an issue in previous generations of stabilisation but I have noticed precisely zero problems with the S1R ..... and I have used it extensively, tripod based, for landscape photography over the last 5 months. 

[colonel]

3 minutes ago, thighslapper said:

well all of that is fine in theory but I have not found any discernible issues in practice.

IBIS +/- Lens OIS has been on permanently since I received my S1R. One of the Lumix reps at the NEC Photography show actually stated it was beneficial in tripod use as it reduces micro vibrations. 

The image I posted a few pages ago with the 75/2 was tripod based and IBIS on. These considerations may have been an issue in previous generations of stabilisation but I have noticed precisely zero problems with the S1R ..... and I have used it extensively, tripod based, for landscape photography over the last 5 months. 

I am sure that everything is constantly in a state of improvement

Always worth direct comparisons. The 75mm f2 is a particularly fine lens BTW

[Donzo98]

3 hours ago, thighslapper said:

well all of that is fine in theory but I have not found any discernible issues in practice.

IBIS +/- Lens OIS has been on permanently since I received my S1R. One of the Lumix reps at the NEC Photography show actually stated it was beneficial in tripod use as it reduces micro vibrations. 

The image I posted a few pages ago with the 75/2 was tripod based and IBIS on. These considerations may have been an issue in previous generations of stabilisation but I have noticed precisely zero problems with the S1R ..... and I have used it extensively, tripod based, for landscape photography over the last 5 months. 

What setting are using on the S1R for IBIS?

I'm using NORMAL and ACTIVATE with HALF SHUTTER PRESS.

[ron777]

My S1R's IBIS is set as yours, and since I've become accustomed to it being active, I doubt that I could do without it.

Edited August 27, 2019 by ron777

[Donzo98]

30 minutes ago, ron777 said:

My S1R's IBIS is set as yours, and since I've become accustomed to it being active, I doubt that I could do without it.

There's another option under When to activate... it's "ALWAYS" rather than "HALF PRESS SHUTTER"

I was wondering why anyone would use that...

[ron777]

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Can't imagine why anyone would use that setting, unless you were shooting video.  I'd assume that it would chew up a lot of battery power.

[mjmoore]

I would just love to see the SL2 tether with Capture One ....  Hey Leica and Phase One - it is 2019, can't we all just get along?!?!

 

[Tailwagger]

8 hours ago, jonoslack said:

I've just read the whole of this thread, lots of interesting information and generally good natured. 

The whole thing and yet nothing to contribute information wise?!? Oh well, there's always next month... now get back to work on that review (he remarked in a good natured, fun loving, sort of way). 😊

[jrp]

But why would Leica produce such spectacular SL lenses to sit on a low-rez body?  Maybe they think that Panasonic has the high res ground covered.  That said, if you don't include IBIS, the benefits of a high resolution sensor are limited, if you don't use a tripod (and have a pulse).  24Mpx is at the margins of manageability, unless you live in a sunspot or the high ISO performance is spectacular.  For my part, something that had a couple of extra stops of dynamic range over the S1R, combined with IBIS, could be quite tempting.

 

[scott kirkpatrick]

8 hours ago, thighslapper said:

well all of that is fine in theory but I have not found any discernible issues in practice.

IBIS +/- Lens OIS has been on permanently since I received my S1R. One of the Lumix reps at the NEC Photography show actually stated it was beneficial in tripod use as it reduces micro vibrations. 

The image I posted a few pages ago with the 75/2 was tripod based and IBIS on. These considerations may have been an issue in previous generations of stabilisation but I have noticed precisely zero problems with the S1R ..... and I have used it extensively, tripod based, for landscape photography over the last 5 months. 

I'm at about 2000 exposures on the S1R, using almost exclusively SL Summicrons.  IBIS ON when half-pressed.  Occasionally I use a table-top tripod, but 95% hand-held.  I do hope to see a SL2 one of these days..  There are things I'd like to see Leica improve, but I can wait

[nicci78]

Canon just announced two new APS-C cameras : 90D & M6 II. With both a new 32.5 MP sensor. Igniting again the megapixel race in APS-C. 

With 32+MP at APS-C level. It will be quite natural to see 36MP as the bare minimum in 24x36 cameras in 2020 

[michali]

Yep, and the megapixel race continues.

Ultimately the question photographers need to ask ourselves is why do I need all these extra megapixels? Does a 47MP camera really produce better images than a 24MP camera?  In reality the basics of photography haven't changed, it's always mostly down to proper exposure and a decent lens with good resolving power. I get wonderful images with my 50mm Summilux f1.4 mounted on my 1957 M3 and Fujifilm Velvia 50.

Maybe Leica think that the quality of their lenses more than makes up for the difference in megapixels, irrespective of what their competitors are doing? 

The collective wisdom seems to be that more megapixels only come into play if you're making HUGE prints, or you need the flexibility of cropping. I also suspect that many people don't print their images (all present company excluded of course) but rather share their images online, where monitor limitations don't really show up the extra megapixels.

Just a thought (from the person who's using a 47MP S1R 🤔).......

[Chaemono]

Taking this logic to an extreme makes the release of any new 36 MPx FF sensor look futile. 😂 

https://www.eoshd.com/2018/11/sony-develops-8k-60p-full-frame-sensor-does-this-explain-the-a7s-iii-delay/

 

Edited August 28, 2019 by Chaemono

[saxo]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb michali:

ut rather share their images online, where monitor limitations don't really show up the extra megapixels.

For such a purpose 24 MPx is already overkill. They should look for a 6 MPx cam with good high ISO and dynamic range quality. But where to buy?

Maybe a fixed lens cam with high MPx could save the zoom. Q2?

Personally, I wait for the Sigma foveon before I buy any new l-mount cam.

 

[nicci78]

Isn’t that great if every L-Mount alliance manufacturer are providing different sensors ? More choice within the same mount. 

Having a S1R in Leica flavour would be quite lame. And the constant comparison would not make it easy for Leica to sell its brand new body  7 months later. Even harder if 50% more expensive.  

Having a 36MP state of the art sensor would be more attractive and different enough marketing wise. 

We will also get the chance to have future Sigma Foveon sensor too. 

Edited August 28, 2019 by nicci78

[Chaemono]

I redid the math. The increase in linear resolution from that Sony 36.4 MPx sensor to the S1R 46.7 MPx is a mere 13.2%.

46.7 MPx = 8368 pixels × 5584 pixels

36.4 MPx = 7380 pixels x 4932 pixels

[nicci78]

36MP = + 23% linear resolution than 24MP 

47MP = +39.5% linear resolution than 24MP

60MP = +58.4% linear resolution than 24MP

But actual 47MP is still a FSI design. A 36MP BSI can be better  and of course faster  

 

Edited August 28, 2019 by nicci78

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[Chaemono]

Good point. I’m still waiting for one of Steve Huff’s ghosts to confirm the BSI part. 

[mmradman]

45 minutes ago, nicci78 said:

36MP = + 23% linear resolution than 24MP 

47MP = +39.5% linear resolution than 24MP

60MP = +58.4% linear resolution than 24MP

But actual 47MP is still a FSI design. A 36MP BSI can be better  and of course faster  

 

While this forum agonise over marginal gain of one sensor over the other, some just a rumour, i have sold my SL601 and use camera with 45.7Mp BSI sensor which works pretty well with M lenses plus has very nice range of native AF lenses.  Z7 is a small and lightweight ergonomic body, IBIS, user selectable LENR, affordable and adoptable to pretty much any lens except L mount, a worthwhile upgrade i am happy with - i have upgraded to "SL2" beater already.

By the way, anyone in L camp waiting for native mount long AF prime or zoom, longer than 280mm good luck with that one.  Personally I have very little use for anything longer than 135mm but having access to 750g 300mm f4 and 1.5kg 500mm f5.6 primes both capable of AF with 1.4 TC make me consider trying long telephoto.

Edited August 28, 2019 by mmradman