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4 minutes ago, M10 for me said:

Do you now just think of the SHAPE of TL? Actually the CL has what you are asking for. That is why I think that I misunderstand and you prefer the look of the TL but with EVF.

TL and CL are very different cameras, not just the built-in EVF.

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I believe T/TL camera with a little change in design (still beautiful) could and should have a built-in EVF. I was also disappointed by eliminating the little in body flash that served me a lot in some situation.

This is what I was wishing and suggesting before TL was announced!

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On 7/19/2019 at 3:28 PM, Einst_Stein said:

TL and CL are very different cameras, not just the built-in EVF.

I think they have more in common than that they are different. It is a matter of emphasis. The T series is more modernistic, the CL is designed for photographers with a more classical taste.

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The downside of an inbuilt EVF is that the camera would no longer be of use to left eyed photographers. As a left eyed person I find that the TL with the external EVF is one of the few cameras that are a joy to use. The fact that you can tilt the EVF should not be overlooked. That would be impossible to replicate with an internal EVF.

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2 hours ago, vankempf said:

The downside of an inbuilt EVF is that the camera would no longer be of use to left eyed photographers. As a left eyed person I find that the TL with the external EVF is one of the few cameras that are a joy to use. The fact that you can tilt the EVF should not be overlooked. That would be impossible to replicate with an internal EVF.

I should also add that Visoflex is also an excellent EVF, although quite expensive.

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On 7/20/2019 at 3:01 AM, jaapv said:

I think they have more in common than that they are different. It is a matter of emphasis. The T series is more modernistic, the CL is designed for photographers with a more classical taste.

Leica dnthusiartics are usually purists perfectionism. Any minor difference can make many of them ( or us)  shocking, screaming,  

The T is Leica’s new adventure in the interpretation of the Leica philosophy. 

If you are talking about the engineering functionality, you are right , but I am looking them from the user interface , particularly from the Leica culture point of view.

I love CL, but I love TL more. 

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On 7/20/2019 at 6:29 PM, vankempf said:

The downside of an inbuilt EVF is that the camera would no longer be of use to left eyed photographers. As a left eyed person I find that the TL with the external EVF is one of the few cameras that are a joy to use. The fact that you can tilt the EVF should not be overlooked. That would be impossible to replicate with an internal EVF.

Really? My Panasonic GX8 has an internal tilting EVF.

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