zampelis Posted June 21, 2019 Share #1 Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello everyone, I understand that the Q2 is the new kid on the block and that we all want to buy one, but currently they co-exist with the original Q and this is something that will not change in the foreseeable future - especially due to the waiting time to get a Q2. I was thinking that as this section is about both Q and Q2, maybe it would be more appropriate if we could please merge the Q and Q2 image threads the same way we did for the Q and Q2 Macro image threads? Also to pin both Macro and Regular image threads with the combined shots of the cameras? Having pinned only the Q2 image thread where the Q image thread is not pinned makes for the Q users feel that they are irrelevant now. The way things are currently, can make Q owners feel that their equipment is outdated and that they have been left behind, even though the Q is still on sale from numerous dealers and many people make a choice to buy that instead of a Q2 for the moment. As the Q2 is an evolution of the original Q, it can do what the Q already did, can take similar (but vastly improved) shots and can move their owners to the next level of creativity. In that light it is more sensible to have a thread that will record this creativity progress and maybe this transition point rather than completely discard years and years of photos taken with the original Q as if it is a complete different camera, letting it completely disappear from the first page, as long as people post less and less photos on the Q thread. What anyone else think about it? Looking forward for opinions. Edited June 21, 2019 by zampelis 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 21, 2019 Posted June 21, 2019 Hi zampelis, Take a look here Merging the Q and Q2 image threads?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
dancook Posted June 21, 2019 Share #2 Posted June 21, 2019 I feel a split having two image threads, i'd like them merged. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bags27 Posted June 21, 2019 Share #3 Posted June 21, 2019 +1 to Dimitrios and Dan I asked for this months ago, at the very beginning of the Q2 thread. We have the same black & white and macro threads. We'd have the same IR thread if anyone were doing that right now (hint: we need to get back to IR!). And, I know that this is way too much to ask for, but why do we have a German side and an "international" side (which is always English) of the site? Google translate is getting so good, that those who don't read/write the other language can easily understand/be understood in the other. It is an artifact and a useless one. But right now, I'd settle for a merging of the Q and Q2! 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marchyman Posted June 21, 2019 Share #4 Posted June 21, 2019 Yup, I'd prefer one thread for images regardless of the Q being used. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prk60091 Posted June 21, 2019 Share #5 Posted June 21, 2019 i have fallen behind in viewing all the images in both threads... it just seems too voluminous with 2 threads... i am very much in favor of merging the threads. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturkel Posted June 22, 2019 Share #6 Posted June 22, 2019 So my take is they should still be seperate. The reason is they are two different cameras due to the sensor size. If there were a way to auto tag the images from one camera to the other then this would work very well. I like seeing images from the Q2 sensor and what can be processed from this sensor. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leica Guy Posted June 22, 2019 Share #7 Posted June 22, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Great idea Demitris. I vote to merge them. Like a Porsche 911. The Q2 is a still a Q. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masklin Posted June 22, 2019 Share #8 Posted June 22, 2019 Merge here also. It just takes a comment with any photo to state Q or Q2. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beauport Posted June 22, 2019 Share #9 Posted June 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Masklin said: Merge here also. It just takes a comment with any photo to state Q or Q2. + 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
malbooth Posted June 23, 2019 Share #10 Posted June 23, 2019 I've had my new Q2 for only two days now. I still have my old Q but I'm trying to sell it. I agree we should try to stay as the one community and have a joint image thread for the Q system. All it takes is a brief comment if you want to distinguish the version/model. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pharyngula Posted June 23, 2019 Share #11 Posted June 23, 2019 I can live with them split or lumped I guess. I would point out, however, that we have a separate forum devoted to photography and images taken with all sorts of Leica cameras and lenses. The Leica Q/Q2 forum is still largely gear-focused, just like for example, the M fora. I for one, feel there are subtle and not so subtle technical distinctions between the 2 cameras that I would like to parse by looking at a variety of images (I routinely look at both image threads now). This doesn't mean there is necessarily a distinction to be had between the emotional impact of a well taken image springing from either camera. Even the Monochrom forum maintains separate image threads for the M 246 and MM and I find this useful (yes, I know the sensors are very different in this case). It would be fine with me if we had a single image thread for the Q/Q2 if, as others have suggested, the camera was specified but based on other image threads I think in practice we will rarely see the appropriate provenance. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zampelis Posted June 23, 2019 Author Share #12 Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, pharyngula said: I can live with them split or lumped I guess. I would point out, however, that we have a separate forum devoted to photography and images taken with all sorts of Leica cameras and lenses. The Leica Q/Q2 forum is still largely gear-focused, just like for example, the M fora. I for one, feel there are subtle and not so subtle technical distinctions between the 2 cameras that I would like to parse by looking at a variety of images (I routinely look at both image threads now). This doesn't mean there is necessarily a distinction to be had between the emotional impact of a well taken image springing from either camera. Even the Monochrom forum maintains separate image threads for the M 246 and MM and I find this useful (yes, I know the sensors are very different in this case). It would be fine with me if we had a single image thread for the Q/Q2 if, as others have suggested, the camera was specified but based on other image threads I think in practice we will rarely see the appropriate provenance. Thank you so much everyone for your responses. Also @pharyngula thank you for bringing up the fact that other threads have separate image threads for the M cameras. There is a big difference between those threads and this one though: Those are organised in sub-threads giving the feeling of equality to the users of the cameras. Also the photos for any M system is pinned at the top, something that is not happening in the Q forum. I would expect from the moderators, if they want to keep the same standards as in the other threads, if they can't merge the Q and Q2, at least to pin the image thread of the Q and treat it as an equal Leica's family system - a system that what it lacks in technology, it gets it from its several years old history and the amount of photos shot with it. Or unpin also the Q2 image thread and treat the whole Q/Q2 thread as strict camera related thread, something that is happening in the German thread. Because of the way things are currently, (having pinned for example the review of the Q2 for so many months after its launch), I am afraid that the whole feeling I get from this specific thread is that it is intended just as a marketing tool in order to promote the new Q2, something that I am pretty sure comes out of the excitement for the new camera and wouldn't be the original intention of the moderators. But in the end, and as a personal preference, I would prefer a merged and pinned thread for both cameras. Edited June 23, 2019 by zampelis 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
microview Posted June 27, 2019 Share #13 Posted June 27, 2019 I'd rather see them as discrete rather than merged. (Am I the only thread visitor with this preference?) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen_C Posted June 27, 2019 Share #14 Posted June 27, 2019 1 hour ago, microview said: (Am I the only thread visitor with this preference?) No you are not. I would not mind if the threads were merged if only people would indicate which camera they had used. As it is, people often post without any salient information (e.g., shutter speed, aperture, when that might be relevant) so I very much doubt people would consistently indicate, in a merged thread, which camera they had used. Note that the majority of posters also strip out EXIF information before posting (I do that, and have no objection to it—but it is, of course, another way of identifying the camera used if it's not otherwise indicated). Stephen 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturkel Posted June 27, 2019 Share #15 Posted June 27, 2019 This is how I feel as well. I don’t think everyone will tag the posting. If we keep separate it is easy to know what you are looking at. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masklin Posted June 27, 2019 Share #16 Posted June 27, 2019 If they're to be kept separate, why is the Q2 image thread considered worthy of being pinned and the Q not? Both cameras are still on sale, in use and very relevant yet one is now considered somewhat inconsequential here? I'm unlikely to ever have a Q2, at least in the foreseeable, but I'd like to think any contributions as a Q user are as valuable as someone using a Q2, including any images I post. I want to see and enjoy the best images posted, they could be from either the Q or the Q2 depending on who is behind the camera, both threads deserve equal weight. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zampelis Posted June 28, 2019 Author Share #17 Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Masklin said: I want to see and enjoy the best images posted, they could be from either the Q or the Q2 depending on who is behind the camera, both threads deserve equal weight. I can't agree more on that... As a matter of fact I find it common sense and we shouldn't need to even state that.. Edited June 28, 2019 by zampelis 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazesus Posted June 28, 2019 Share #18 Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) Glad you brought up this topic and i agree with what you said. Because of the split i actually almost never check the Q2 image thread, i don't post on the Q image thread like did before since i always gotta look where it is, sometimes the Q image thread is almost at the bottom going on page 2 😀. I hope the forum mods fix this. I mean i thought it was a community? Am at the point that i don't come here as often since that little split happen, i just went and looked for other options like INSTAGRAM 😂. Edited June 28, 2019 by Hazesus 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zampelis Posted June 28, 2019 Author Share #19 Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Hazesus said: Glad you brought up this topic and i agree with what you said. Because of the split i actually almost never check the Q2 image thread, i don't post on the Q image thread like did before since i always gotta look where it is, sometimes the Q image thread is almost at the bottom going on page 2 😀. I hope the forum mods fix this. I mean i thought it was a community? Am at the point that i don't come here as often since that little split happen, i just went and looked for other options like INSTAGRAM 😂. Thats exactly how I feel too Hazesus... I am seriously considering stopping posting... I am openly inviting the moderators to respond and justify the reason on why they unpinned the Q thread. I have expressed with bold lettering on my original post the request to re-pin it as a merged one. Even if the thread doesn't get merged with the Q2 one, it needs to get pinned back. You can't let a thread that has three quarter of a million views float up and down like that... This topic is created more than a week ago and not even a single moderator has participated in the conversation. A response from the moderators is strongly required. Edited June 28, 2019 by zampelis 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHW Posted June 28, 2019 Share #20 Posted June 28, 2019 43 minutes ago, zampelis said: Thats exactly how I feel too Hazesus... I am seriously considering stopping posting... I am openly inviting the moderators to respond and justify the reason on why they unpinned the Q thread. I have expressed with bold lettering on my original post the request to re-pin it as a merged one. Even if the thread doesn't get merged with the Q2 one, it needs to get pinned back. You can't let a thread that has three quarter of a million views float up and down like that... This topic is created more than a week ago and not even a single moderator has participated in the conversation. A response from the moderators is strongly required. I totally agree with your thoughts. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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