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📸 Leica m245 Noctilux-M 50mm f0.95 #milanswolfs

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On 12/29/2019 at 4:21 PM, Peter Kilmister said:

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I admire Milan's 'young eye' advantage compared with aged people trying to focus a very difficult lens designed for a teenager's eye and twenties muscles.

Other than that I have to say the Noctilux 0.95 is for most people a very expensive, heavy, ungainly, really useless lens. Can I soften that? I doubt it.

Peter, I have bitten my tongue for a while now but when you state that "for most people" the .95 Noctilux is a useless lens is simply not your place to say. You have no idea how we shoot with our Noctilux lenses, nor how much we treasure them and actually look forward to getting out and using them often. I own most iteration of Noctilux lenses from the original F1.2, F1, both which were purchased new with the help of my Dad, and up to the new F1.25 75mm Noctilux. For most folks who would shoot with the 1.2 Noctilux I suspect they may very well be extremely disappointed in its lack of sharpness and how it actually gets worse as you stop it down, yet, it renders in a way that taken in just the right circumstances and light makes simply magical photographs. We all hear how you don't like this lens but we really do, so please do not say that for most people its a useless lens. If I were to have to sell all of my Leica lens collection the two I would keep would be the F1 Noctilux and the 35AA Summilux, both because there are no modern lenses that can render as magically as these do. My point is we each have our own preferences so I just ask you to respect this and if you do not like something like the Noctilux, then please participate in a forum on items which you do enjoy as these forums are really a magnificent way to share with each other the wonderful and very gratifying enjoyment of photography and the gear with which we use, plus life is so full of hate and disagreement that I'd like to think this forum can be void of that darn human trait. 

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Leica M240, Noctilux-m 50mm f1, v2 @1

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1 hour ago, insideline said:

Peter, I have bitten my tongue for a while now but when you state that "for most people" the .95 Noctilux is a useless lens is simply not your place to say. You have no idea how we shoot with our Noctilux lenses, nor how much we treasure them and actually look forward to getting out and using them often. I own most iteration of Noctilux lenses from the original F1.2, F1, both which were purchased new with the help of my Dad, and up to the new F1.25 75mm Noctilux. For most folks who would shoot with the 1.2 Noctilux I suspect they may very well be extremely disappointed in its lack of sharpness and how it actually gets worse as you stop it down, yet, it renders in a way that taken in just the right circumstances and light makes simply magical photographs. We all hear how you don't like this lens but we really do, so please do not say that for most people its a useless lens. If I were to have to sell all of my Leica lens collection the two I would keep would be the F1 Noctilux and the 35AA Summilux, both because there are no modern lenses that can render as magically as these do. My point is we each have our own preferences so I just ask you to respect this and if you do not like something like the Noctilux, then please participate in a forum on items which you do enjoy as these forums are really a magnificent way to share with each other the wonderful and very gratifying enjoyment of photography and the gear with which we use, plus life is so full of hate and disagreement that I'd like to think this forum can be void of that darn human trait. 

You are entitled to your opinion. I am entitled to mine. For months I stayed away from this section of the forum. However, when @Milan_S posted a really well focussed picture, I commented positively on his skill.

Earlier today I had someone calling me a 'dude' ... which is a derogatory term, and I have also received similar comments. I am not going to respond to personal acerbic remarks. If they get too abusive I shall use the "Report" button. 

My personal experiences with a very expensive, bulky, heavy lens that blocks the viewfinder were that I could see its potential in a studio. My view stands. If you respect my view, then I shall respect your view. 

Being polite is sociable and leads to solid debate. Abuse and derogatory language will lead to conflict, which means it is eristic. Eristic behaviour will achieve nothing but conflict.

@insideline Enjoy your lenses. I will enjoy mine.

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Of course, we are all entitled to our respective, and very different opinions.  Exchanging them in a polite way is what makes for entertaining discourse.  Insideline’s point, however, was a different one.  We all have parts of the forum where we might say “ho hum” or “not my cup of tea, old chap”; no discussion is improved by repeated disagreement, it seems to me.

I’m not sure how your forum experience is improved by posting on this thread.  Are you hoping to persuade Noctilux users to sell their lenses?  Stop posting images which do not impress you?  Or gain some sort of kudos for yourself by suggesting you could take a better image with any other lens?  I’m not sure your strategy is working ...

We (Noctilux owners) understand you have a different point of view - I think you’ve made that clear.

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2 hours ago, Peter Kilmister said:

Being polite is sociable and leads to solid debate. Abuse and derogatory language will lead to conflict, which means it is eristic. Eristic behaviour will achieve nothing but conflict.

This level of hypocrisy is laughable 😂

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12 minutes ago, Artin said:

I do not know what the meaning of Dude is in the kingdom of Sussex , but up here in the great white north Dude is a well dressed gentleman that actually can make an impressive entrance. There is absolutely nothing derogatory related to it at all 

Same in the US of A, Dude.

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55 minutes ago, Artin said:

I do not know what the meaning of Dude is in the kingdom of Sussex , but up here in the great white north Dude is a well dressed gentleman that actually can make an impressive entrance. There is absolutely nothing derogatory related to it at all 

Brings to mind Lebowski - quite neutral here at the bottom of the world ...

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3 hours ago, Peter Kilmister said:

You are entitled to your opinion. I am entitled to mine. For months I stayed away from this section of the forum. However, when @Milan_S posted a really well focussed picture, I commented positively on his skill.

Earlier today I had someone calling me a 'dude' ... which is a derogatory term, and I have also received similar comments. I am not going to respond to personal acerbic remarks. If they get too abusive I shall use the "Report" button. 

My personal experiences with a very expensive, bulky, heavy lens that blocks the viewfinder were that I could see its potential in a studio. My view stands. If you respect my view, then I shall respect your view. 

Being polite is sociable and leads to solid debate. Abuse and derogatory language will lead to conflict, which means it is eristic. Eristic behaviour will achieve nothing but conflict.

@insideline Enjoy your lenses. I will enjoy mine.

Peter, that was my entire point in that we "are" thoroughly enjoying our Noctilux lenses, which some of us have owned for over 40+ years and shoot with regularly, yet it was you who said to us that we were wrong given it is a useless lens. All I politely asked was that you spend your time on sites where you do enjoy your experiences with the lenses you like and fit your needs. I do not see how any of us were rude to you or in my instance derogatory in any way. I did politely ask that you leave us to enjoy these amazing lenses as you have made your point clear on many many occasions that you do not like the .95 Noctilux, but we honesty, enthusiastically and passionately do.  

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4 hours ago, Peter Kilmister said:

(...)Earlier today I had someone calling me a 'dude' ... which is a derogatory term, and I have also received similar comments. I am not going to respond to personal acerbic remarks. If they get too abusive I shall use the "Report" button. (...)

in the US 'dude' is not a derogatory term - likewise I would bet in Canada. And then a lot goes along with age group, context, location (workplace or bar) to be classified ...less proper or somewhat immature, "passé"....

 

but: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dude

"n the early 1960s, dude became prominent in surfer culture as a synonym of guy or fella. The female equivalent was "dudette" or "dudess". but these have both fallen into disuse and "dude" is now also used as a unisex term. This more general meaning of "dude" started creeping into the mainstream in the mid-1970s. "Dude", particularly in surfer and "bro" culture,[citation needed] is[when?] generally used informally to address someone ("Dude, I'm glad you finally called") or refer to another person ("I've seen that dude around here before").[13]"

 

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51 minutes ago, Artin said:

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Ok time for politeness is over .. the Canadian in me says stay out of this and be cool ! However the Arminian  blood sometimes gets the edge and I just can’t help myself so here it goes.

 Peteie my  dear old chap you cheeky bugger , Last I checked this is a picture thread and not a discussion about a usefulness of a lens.

and if you think the thousands of people out there that have purchased this very expensive lenses are absolute inapt photographers and you know better then them,  then please do indulge us and show us what the hell is it that you are talking about.

 Because there are countless images on this thread that tells me otherwise. What I see are spectacular images taken by us all using noctilux lenses which we love and incidentally actually know how to use. And that my friend is my opinion.  

Artin, FYI I too am Canadian, possibly thats our problem?

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M10-P, Noctilux-M 1:1/50, v4,  f1.0, 1/125, ISO 100

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After the bath – M10 with 50mm Noctilux f/1.0

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After dinner – M10 with 50mm Noctilux f/1.0

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First time out with my new Noctilux. Dusk but plenty of light. Very different than my Summilux.

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Another wide open shot and I can see the difference in how colors and details are rendered in this lens vs a Summilux. I wonder how a 50mm APO would look.... 

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17 hours ago, Archer911 said:

Another wide open shot and I can see the difference in how colors and details are rendered in this lens vs a Summilux. I wonder how a 50mm APO would look.... 

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Wonderful shots, especially the first one with the swirly grass leading ones eye to the car. I own both the F1 Noctilux and a 50 APO, and the differences are you would loose that artistic grass swirl leading your eye to your sharp red Ferrari, whereas the 50 APO would provide a silky smooth entry bokeh to the car and the car itself would appear even sharper. Both are must have lenses, but the F1 Noct is an artists lens and takes your eyes on a journey to places, whereas the 50 APO simply takes almost perfect pictures with the foreground and past focal point bokeh being very smooth and gentle. 

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2 minutes ago, insideline said:

Wonderful shots, especially the first one with the swirly grass leading ones eye to the car. I own both the F1 Noctilux and a 50 APO, and the differences are you would loose that artistic grass swirl leading your eye to your sharp red Ferrari, whereas the 50 APO would provide a silky smooth entry bokeh to the car and the car itself would appear even sharper. Both are must have lenses, but the F1 Noct is an artists lens and takes your eyes on a journey to places, whereas the 50 APO simply takes almost perfect pictures with the foreground and past focal point bokeh being very smooth and gentle. 

Surely he needs both! Never enough glass. Have both the 50 Summiiux and the 50 Noctilux 1.0 and would part with neither. Cheers.

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