Tilt Shift comparison

[caissa]

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At 24mm there are now 3 interesting tilt-shift lenses available. All 3 can be used on L-mount with adapters.  The Canon TS-E 24mm f/3.5L II tilt-shift, new the Samyang 24mm f/3.5 ED AS USM T/S and the Nikon PC-E 24mm f/3.5D ED T/S. A few users have already experience with one or the other. But has anyone the possibility to compare them ? Performance on S1R would be very interesting. The prices are quite far apart.

The question ? Which is best and which offers the best value for money ?

Edited May 18, 2019 by caissa

[jrp]

https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2019/04/just-mtf-charts-perspective-control-lenses/ & take your pick

[BeuBu]

I made a decision for the Canon TS-E 24, because it is quite sharp (at least sharper than the Nikon) and it is more flexible. The lens can be rotated before and behind the shifting part. Means you can either tilt in the shifting plane or in a 45deg. / 90deg. offset to it. 

[rpittal]

The Samyang 24 that I had was really a dog and I was not able to use it due to poor image quality. My Nikon 24 was quite a bit better, but still not what I expected. Unfortunately, I also sold my Canon 17T/S which was the best of my wide angle T/S lenses (wanting to replace it with the new Nikon 19T/S, but haven't yet, and not convinced it is any better than the Canon 17). Rental of options is an excellent suggestion.

[Docderm]

Beware following problem I discovered. I might be wrong but from my searching this is my conclusion. 

The canon tilt shift lens 24mm has no F stop choices on the lens. It depends on electronic connection to camera. The camera body is used to set the aperture in the lens. There is no adapter available that will electronically connect this lens to a Panasonic L mount camera body. 

On the other hand......It looks like the Nikon lenses do have aperture choices set on the lens itself. Thus no electronic connection to camera body is necessary. You then could use first and M to L/T adapter on the S1, then attach a Nikon to leica m adapter to the lens, then attach the lens to the camera. There will be no electronic connection to the lens.....but you don't need it. You will set the aperture on the lens. You will choose aperture priority or manual control for choosing shutter speed of camera body. Seems like it would work. 

Your thoughts and experiences?

[Ingo]

vor 8 Stunden schrieb Docderm:

 

The canon tilt shift lens 24mm has no F stop choices on the lens. It depends on electronic connection to camera. The camera body is used to set the aperture in the lens. There is no adapter available that will electronically connect this lens to a Panasonic L mount camera body. 

 

The Novoflex Adapter works fine for setting aperture for Canon EF lenses. 

https://www.novoflex.de/en/products-637/lens-adapters//adapterfinder-products/leica-sl-only-mirrorless/SLEOSen.html?rgerg=66

I'm using it for my 8-15mm fisheye on the S1R.

 

Edited May 23, 2019 by Ingo

[BeuBu]

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Meanwhile I own both adapters, the Novoflex SL-EF and the Sigma MC-21. Both work fine with the Canon TS-E 24 (and TS-E50) for setting aperture. The MC-21 is also recognizing focus adjustment, in contrary to the Novoflex one. 

[Docderm]

Thanks BeuBu for letting us know that the Sigma MC-21 allows the camera to control the lens aperture. Good news because it costs less than half the price of the Novoflex one. 

I am going to give it a try!

[Docderm]

I used the Sigma MC-21 Canon to L-mount adapter. Used Canon 24mm II tilt shift lens. Transferred lens metadata to S camera. Allowed control of lens aperture from camera body. Worked fine for me. Of course this is a manual focus lens so no AF possible. 

[Docderm]

Bad news for those considering buying the Nikon PC-E shift lenses to use on the S camera. 

In order to change the aperture Of the lens it must have an electric connection to a Nikon camera body.  Thus the meaning of you “E” in the lens title: perspective control-electronic

The only adapter which gives electronic connection Nikon to L-mount I could find is a Novoflex model that costs more than $800. I am unclear if it would work because this is not a Nikon camera body.

 I tried connecting the Nikon 45 mm tilt shift lens via a “dumb” adapter to the S1r camera.  Unfortunately changing the aperture setting on the lens had absolutely no effect on the actual aperture of the lens itself.

Would love to hear if anyone has succeeded with a Nikon lens on an S camera.

[BeuBu]

 

4 hours ago, Docderm said:

Bad news for those considering buying the Nikon PC-E shift lenses to use on the S camera. 

In order to change the aperture Of the lens it must have an electric connection to a Nikon camera body.  Thus the meaning of you “E” in the lens title: perspective control-electronic

The only adapter which gives electronic connection Nikon to L-mount I could find is a Novoflex model that costs more than $800. I am unclear if it would work because this is not a Nikon camera body.

 I tried connecting the Nikon 45 mm tilt shift lens via a “dumb” adapter to the S1r camera.  Unfortunately changing the aperture setting on the lens had absolutely no effect on the actual aperture of the lens itself.

Would love to hear if anyone has succeeded with a Nikon lens on an S camera.

Thanks Docderm,

concerning Novoflex Adapter: just ask them by email.  Usually they are answering fast and reliable. 

[helged]

6 hours ago, Docderm said:

Bad news for those considering buying the Nikon PC-E shift lenses to use on the S camera. 

In order to change the aperture Of the lens it must have an electric connection to a Nikon camera body.  Thus the meaning of you “E” in the lens title: perspective control-electronic

The only adapter which gives electronic connection Nikon to L-mount I could find is a Novoflex model that costs more than $800. I am unclear if it would work because this is not a Nikon camera body.

 I tried connecting the Nikon 45 mm tilt shift lens via a “dumb” adapter to the S1r camera.  Unfortunately changing the aperture setting on the lens had absolutely no effect on the actual aperture of the lens itself.

Would love to hear if anyone has succeeded with a Nikon lens on an S camera.

On the S1R, with the electronic SL/NIK Novoflex adapter, the aperture can be adjusted but the af does not work on the following two E-lenses: Nikon 300mm f4 PF and Nikon 400mm f2.8E (I assume this holds for other Nikon E-lenses as well, but I don't know). The aperture on Nikon G-lenses can be adjusted by the blue ring on the manual LET/NIK Novoflex adapter.

[thighslapper]

4 hours ago, helged said:

On the S1R, with the electronic SL/NIK Novoflex adapter, the aperture can be adjusted but the af does not work on the following two E-lenses: Nikon 300mm f4 PF and Nikon 400mm f2.8E (I assume this holds for other Nikon E-lenses as well, but I don't know). The aperture on Nikon G-lenses can be adjusted by the blue ring on the manual LET/NIK Novoflex adapter.

My Sigma 135/1.8 (nikon mount) behaves the same. 

[BlackDoc]

vor 43 Minuten schrieb thighslapper:

My Sigma 135/1.8 (nikon mount) behaves the same. 

OT but belongs to this problem: This might be a firmware problem of the LENS->  i have tried the same lens with the S1r + with the newest firmware (via docking station) and MC21 and it works with AFS.

Edited June 6, 2019 by BlackDoc

[helged]

18 minutes ago, BlackDoc said:

OT but belongs to this problem: This might be a firmware problem of the LENS->  i have tried the same lens with the S1r + with the newest firmware (via docking station) and MC21 and it works with AFS.

Presumably Sigma 135/1.8 in Canon mount, since MC21 is for Canon EF-lenses...? (just checking, since @thighslapper commented on Sigma 135/1.8 in Nikon mount).

[Docderm]

Isn't it remarkable the resources available on this forum!

Great to know that the Novoflex electronic adapter gives us the option to use of PC-E Nikon lenses and control their aperture. Wonderful. 

I imagine the issue becomes the financial reasonableness of making the >$800 investment in the adapter. If one instead chooses to use only Canon tilt shift lenses, then one can control their aperture with the $230 Sigma MC-21 adapter.

Is it worth $600 more to be able to use Nikon PC-E lenses? Are they better than Canon TS-E?? Anyone have an opinion?

OTOH: if you already have the Nikon PC-E lenses then the $800 adapter would allow you to use them

[BernardC]

On 6/6/2019 at 4:08 PM, Docderm said:

Is it worth $600 more to be able to use Nikon PC-E lenses? Are they better than Canon TS-E?? Anyone have an opinion?

I don't have any personal experience, but LensRentals recently posted an article showing their testing results with tilt-shift lenses:

https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2019/04/just-mtf-charts-perspective-control-lenses/

There doesn't seem to be a clear difference between the two brands, they both produce high quality tilt-shift optics.

[Docderm]

Thanks, BernardC, for pointing us to this resource. 

I would be curious to hear how many of you would choose Canon tilt shift lenses, which work with less costly Sigma MC-21 adapter, and how many would choose Nikon tilt shift lenses, realizing it will require the much more expensive Novoflex adapter? 

Thanks

[jrp]

What does the data pointed to you suggest ...?

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[FlashGordonPhotography]

Interesting that B&H has dramatically raised the price of the Nikon adaptor and left the price of the Canon one. They used to be the same and it's a LOT cheaper in Oz. (25% less with the currency conversion, plus our prices always include tax.)

I already have both the Novoflex electronic adaptors. The Nikon version is also useful for the Zeiss milvus lenses as well as the PCE lenses. I never found the AF very reliable, even on the SL with the E lenses it was supposed to work with and when it did AF was slow. However it's nice even having manual focus on my 200-500 in a pinch.

As for which one to choose. If you have Nikon lenses then you have one choice. Otherwise the MC-21 makes far more sense with the Canon lenses. There's also more TC options from Canon.

Gordon