Panasonic S1 & S1R available next week

[thighslapper]

Advertisement (gone after registration)

Had an email this afternoon indicating Panasonic are shipping on friday and UK stock should be available in dealers by the middle of next week. 

As they have demanded cash from me, I assume my dealer is correct. 

Will be interesting to see how it performs with TL, & SL lenses. (plus M and R lenses..... if the current adapters work). 

Fed up waiting for the SL2 so this will do for now...... 

[helged]

"On the way" to one of the neighbour countries in the East as well (Norway) - so the first batch of bodies appears to be just around the corner .

[Richardgb]

2 hours ago, thighslapper said:

Had an email this afternoon indicating Panasonic are shipping on friday and UK stock should be available in dealers by the middle of next week. 

As they have demanded cash from me, I assume my dealer is correct. 

Will be interesting to see how it performs with TL, & SL lenses. (plus M and R lenses..... if the current adapters work). 

Fed up waiting for the SL2 so this will do for now...... 

This would be just in time for The Photography Show in the NEC a week later.

[thighslapper]

Yes ...... I'll be able to moan about it to the Panasonic folk when I'm there  

Hopefully it will provide a complementary 2nd body to the SL (or vice versa) .... and if it doesn't make the grade the SL2 will replace it. 

Edited March 7, 2019 by thighslapper

[sillbeers15]

At this point in time, when the EVF is benchmark, in body Stabilizer (which was just confirmed SL2 will not have). Latest contrasts detect AF (which SL adapts technology from Panasonic). I really am not optimistic that the SL2 can out perform the S1R except in non critical areas as layout of controls that is customisable and perhaps better looking and feel camera body. What really is great now is there is alternative for us to ditch Leica L mount body for a better camera and one that has at least a good third party suppport of OCF solutions such as Profoto and  Godox. 

All I care about are Optically superb Leica SL lenses. Now we can pair it with a more technically advance camera. Good bye Leica SL!

Edited March 7, 2019 by sillbeers15

[helged]

28 minutes ago, sillbeers15 said:

At this point in time, when the EVF is benchmark, in body Stabilizer (which was just confirmed SL2 will not have). Latest contrasts detect AF (which SL adapts technology from Panasonic). I really am not optimistic that the SL2 can out perform the S1R except in non critical areas as layout of controls that is customisable and perhaps better looking and feel camera body. What really is great now is there is alternative for us to ditch Leica L mount body for a better camera and one that has at least a good third party suppport of OCF solutions such as Profoto and  Godox. 

All I care about are Optically superb Leica SL lenses. Now we can pair it with a more technically advance camera. Good bye Leica SL!

I would rather say a big  welcome!  to both S1, S1R, SL2 and Sigma's FF Foveon body; not for me personally, but certainly for the L-mount community.

Regarding "... in body Stabilizer (which was just confirmed SL2 will not have)" - where is this stated? Just curious to know...

[hillavoider]

Advertisement (gone after registration)

you 2 make me jealous, if the summicrons work perfectly on the S1r i'll have to join in

[sillbeers15]

1 hour ago, helged said:

I would rather say a big  welcome!  to both S1, S1R, SL2 and Sigma's FF Foveon body; not for me personally, but certainly for the L-mount community.

Regarding "... in body Stabilizer (which was just confirmed SL2 will not have)" - where is this stated? Just curious to know...

In one of the latest interview with Leica’s lens designer. The reason given was Leica wanted to keep the SL2 compact.

[LocalHero1953]

17 minutes ago, sillbeers15 said:

In one of the latest interview with Leica’s lens designer. The reason given was Leica wanted to keep the SL2 compact.

Please give a link to the interview.

[scott kirkpatrick]

That sounds like Karbe's 2018 interview with Thorsten Overgaard.  He didn't make a definite statement, but it sounded as if IBIS wasn't at the top of his priorities.  He has plenty on his plate getting four more SL Summicrons out the door, in addition to the 35 Noctilux that we keep demanding...

 

edit:  Take a look at the technical data for the Q2.  There is mention of "optical stabilization for photos and video."  It could be that one good use of nearly 50 MPx is to use the software stabilization that is done for video to stabilize still images (leading to somewhat reduced stabilized virtual pixel counts).

second edit:  Overgaard says "use the optical stabilization for video, but never for stills."  I wonder why...?

Edited March 7, 2019 by scott kirkpatrick

[BernardC]

2 hours ago, scott kirkpatrick said:

That sounds like Karbe's 2018 interview with Thorsten Overgaard. 

(...)

 

second edit:  Overgaard says "use the optical stabilization for video, but never for stills."  I wonder why...?

Didn't Leica say that it was a feature that they were looking at. I think they went out of their way not to make a definite promise.

As far as "OK for video, not for stills," I agree. With clean high-ISO cameras, I don't need OIS or IBIS. I've found that it leaves unwelcome traces, but that may have been limited to the specific lenses that I tested. I would add that it's not OK for video either, if you've come prepared, but it is useful for impromptu video.

[sillbeers15]

10 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

Please give a link to the interview.

In tha last interview of Leica camera design trend:

Overgaard: Image Stabilization is something people ask about, both in lens and in camera. It takes up space in the lens, and/or in the camera. Is there a solution in the future for that?

 

Stephan Schulz: "On in-body image stabilization, it's really obvious that it's a question of body size. We have a priority on the body size, which has a great heritage, particularly for the Leica M, and having image stabilization needs some space in the body to move the sensor.

"We cannot talk about future products in our strategy, but you can be sure that we have a close look at in-body image stabilization. We think if it's helpful for our customers, we may one day do it.

"I can say that it would be nice to have in body image stabilization in the Leica SL because then you also have a benefit using the non-stabilized lenses benefiting for that. So, imagine there would be an Leica SL, just imagine, pure theory ... with in-body image stabilization ... and then you put a Leica M-lens on, and then you have a nice image stabilization. That would be one benefit. 

"By adding the two,in-body image stabilization and in-lens image stabilization( in the L-lenses), you can correct different frequencies of shake, and that is also a benefit. Which in the end will result in gaining more f-stops so you can photograph at lower shutter sopeeds without shake." 

 

http://www.overgaard.dk/Leica-Camera-Typ-601-Leica-SL-Small-Camera-Large-Print-and-Large-Lenses.html
 

[Alistairm]

BHPhoto still saying 4 April... hope they arrive earlier! 

[Chaemono]

vor 6 Stunden schrieb sillbeers15:

In tha last interview of Leica camera design trend:

Overgaard: Image Stabilization is something people ask about, both in lens and in camera. It takes up space in the lens, and/or in the camera. Is there a solution in the future for that?

 

Stephan Schulz: "On in-body image stabilization, it's really obvious that it's a question of body size. We have a priority on the body size, which has a great heritage, particularly for the Leica M, and having image stabilization needs some space in the body to move the sensor.

"We cannot talk about future products in our strategy, but you can be sure that we have a close look at in-body image stabilization. We think if it's helpful for our customers, we may one day do it.

"I can say that it would be nice to have in body image stabilization in the Leica SL because then you also have a benefit using the non-stabilized lenses benefiting for that. So, imagine there would be an Leica SL, just imagine, pure theory ... with in-body image stabilization ... and then you put a Leica M-lens on, and then you have a nice image stabilization. That would be one benefit. 

"By adding the two,in-body image stabilization and in-lens image stabilization( in the L-lenses), you can correct different frequencies of shake, and that is also a benefit. Which in the end will result in gaining more f-stops so you can photograph at lower shutter sopeeds without shake." 

http://www.overgaard.dk/Leica-Camera-Typ-601-Leica-SL-Small-Camera-Large-Print-and-Large-Lenses.html
 

And then Stefan Daniel butts in.

Stefan Daniel: "Yes, one more thing if we think about prime lenses; if you develop them to very, very high performances, like the new APO-Summicron line, then it's much easier to make a high-performance lens in a compact way. These are compact lenses at a very high level, without optical image stabilization. Those lenses would benefit from body image stabilization as well."

Yes, sillbeers15, clearly denying that the SL2 will have IBIS.  Confirmation bias: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias .

 

Edited March 8, 2019 by Chaemono

[LocalHero1953]

7 hours ago, sillbeers15 said:

In tha last interview of Leica camera design trend:

Overgaard: Image Stabilization is something people ask about, both in lens and in camera. It takes up space in the lens, and/or in the camera. Is there a solution in the future for that?

 

Stephan Schulz: "On in-body image stabilization, it's really obvious that it's a question of body size. We have a priority on the body size, which has a great heritage, particularly for the Leica M, and having image stabilization needs some space in the body to move the sensor.

"We cannot talk about future products in our strategy, but you can be sure that we have a close look at in-body image stabilization. We think if it's helpful for our customers, we may one day do it.

"I can say that it would be nice to have in body image stabilization in the Leica SL because then you also have a benefit using the non-stabilized lenses benefiting for that. So, imagine there would be an Leica SL, just imagine, pure theory ... with in-body image stabilization ... and then you put a Leica M-lens on, and then you have a nice image stabilization. That would be one benefit. 

"By adding the two,in-body image stabilization and in-lens image stabilization( in the L-lenses), you can correct different frequencies of shake, and that is also a benefit. Which in the end will result in gaining more f-stops so you can photograph at lower shutter sopeeds without shake." 

 

http://www.overgaard.dk/Leica-Camera-Typ-601-Leica-SL-Small-Camera-Large-Print-and-Large-Lenses.html
 

Thanks - I had seen this. It's not confirmation that the SL2 will not have IBIS, though. It's still guesswork at this stage.

Edited March 8, 2019 by LocalHero1953

[Chaemono]

Guess work on our part on Leica employees raving about the benefits of IBIS for a next generation SL in an interview given in October of 2018 in order to drive users like sillbeers15 to the S1/S1R. Commercially, there are only idiots working at Leica.

[Fedro]

seems to me to make sense for the SL. Especially if they want users to leverage some of the long lenses that others like sigma will come out with 

and equally rather clear that there will be no IBIS for M, which also makes sense to me

just my tuppence 

[sillbeers15]

I’m not optimistic that the SL2 can offer us Leica glass users a better camera based on the following considerations:

1. SL2 will be launched soon after S1R, the AF capability is just a licensed reproduction of S1R;

2. No in camera stabilisation;

3. Now with the release of Q2 with 47.3 M pix, will be the same or twitch version of the same sensor as S1R.

[jaapv]

Is there any factual basis for these points?

[Advertisement]

Hallo,

Look here: Leica L-Mount

[Chaemono]

Yes, of course, there is, another cognitive bias called ‘believe perseverance.’  🤣https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief_perseverance