Magnus_L_Andersson Posted March 3, 2019 Share #1 Posted March 3, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Friends, Which 21 mm lens would you suggest for the Monochrom (version 1)? How about the Voigtländer Color Skopar 21mm/f4? regards, magnus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nick_S Posted March 3, 2019 Share #2 Posted March 3, 2019 (edited) I like the Color Skopar 21mm/f4 on my M9 Monochrom at lot. I've been using it for about 5 years and I found it to be sharp and contrasty. With the monochromatic sensor there are no problems with the colour shift in the edges you get with this lens on a colour Leica M camera, just some vignetting wide open. Some folks complain about flare, but I have not had any real issues, with fewer problems than my 50mm Summicron. The later versions of the lens have a milled circle on the lens mount where, with a single line from an opaque marker pen, it can automatically get the camera to compensate for vignetting using a profile from one of the older Leica 21mm lenses. The recessed circle means that it is not wiped off each time you mount the lens (I go over the line on mine with a marker pen once every few months). As the room for image adjustment with the 21mm lens profile is limited with higher ISO settings it is better to keep the ISO value selected down (I tend to keep it to 800 or less with this profile). Edited March 3, 2019 by Nick_S 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryMulcahey Posted March 4, 2019 Share #3 Posted March 4, 2019 I use a Zeiss Biogon 2.8 21mm on my Mono. I have had excellent results with it. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Michel Posted March 4, 2019 Share #4 Posted March 4, 2019 I purchased the VC 21 Color Skopar some years ago to use with film M's I then used it only M9 and M-P, with the help of Cornerfix. I since traded it for a WATE. The VC gave me very nice results and since the lens and viewer cost less than the Leica viewer alone, it was quite a good deal! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamSinger Posted March 4, 2019 Share #5 Posted March 4, 2019 Zeiss Biogon 2.8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus_L_Andersson Posted March 5, 2019 Author Share #6 Posted March 5, 2019 Sounds like the Color Skopar is a good choice, and even though there are several better choices including Leica’s own the Color Skopar beats them both in size and price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_S Posted March 6, 2019 Share #7 Posted March 6, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) VM Ultron 21mm f/1.8 - an excellent lens in many ways. Used in with good results on the MM246. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duoenboge Posted March 6, 2019 Share #8 Posted March 6, 2019 Zeiss Biogon 2.8/21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus_L_Andersson Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share #9 Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) The favourites seem to be the VC/4 and Biogon/2.8, but has anyone tried the VC/3.5 ? Want to find a sweet spot between size, weight, aperture and image quality, hence original Leica lenses are in the game by price to have lower prio than the other parameters. Edited March 10, 2019 by Magnus_L_Andersson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiftyasa Posted April 7, 2019 Share #10 Posted April 7, 2019 My review of the Biogon 21 against the SEM: https://fiftyasa.wordpress.com/2019/02/24/leica-super-elmar-m-21mm-f-3-4-vs-zeiss-biogon-t-2-8-21-mm-zm/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krug Posted April 9, 2019 Share #11 Posted April 9, 2019 My ZM 21 4.5 spends an awful lot of time on my MM1 ... and for very good reason. I agree that the CV 21/4 is very good but - for my eye - the ZM is noticeably better .... not so much the 21 SEM which excels in colour - again, to my eye. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwF Posted April 9, 2019 Share #12 Posted April 9, 2019 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I find the 21mm SEM is superb and works well on my MM as it did on the M9 I had before it. David 7 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I find the 21mm SEM is superb and works well on my MM as it did on the M9 I had before it. David ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/294820-21mm-for-monochrom-mk1/?do=findComment&comment=3719299'>More sharing options...
Nick_S Posted April 10, 2019 Share #13 Posted April 10, 2019 11 hours ago, Krug said: My ZM 21 4.5 spends an awful lot of time on my MM1 ... and for very good reason. I've always been intrigued by this Zeiss f4.5 Biogon lens, with its tiny levels of distortion. Given how close the rear elements are to the Monochrom camera's sensor plane, how is the sharpness at the horizontal edges of a frame? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberti Posted April 14, 2019 Share #14 Posted April 14, 2019 For the MM I mostly use the 20mm Russar. It is extremely sharp into the corners on the MM - but at F8 any lens would be great you’ld think. Still it is more handsome in outcome often than the Elmarit. The skopar is cheaper though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krug Posted April 19, 2019 Share #15 Posted April 19, 2019 Nick_S, I find the 21 4.5 to be excellent right across the frame - you might look at Sean Reid's assessment of the lens (some long time ago now) but it was he, who is not uncritical, who put me on to it. Not good for colour so it is essentially a Monochrom only lens but I really love it for that. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexGig0 Posted April 20, 2019 Share #16 Posted April 20, 2019 With just a few images shot, thus far, I am really liking my ZM 4,5/21mm, on a Monochrom 246. I had seen Lloyd Chambers’ writing of its very low distortion, which moved this one to the top of my “add” list, and I soon found a well-preserved pre-owned sample. I have yet to frame any shots for the specific purpose of checking edges and corners. I have yet to acquire a finder, to precisely frame edges and corners, though I could use live view. The tiny size of the ZM 4,5/21mm was a consideration, as I had foreseen it being the lesser-used lens of a pair, when I may not wish to be carrying a camera bag, but low distortion was the higher priority. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 24, 2019 Share #17 Posted April 24, 2019 On 3/3/2019 at 4:27 PM, Magnus_L_Andersson said: Friends, Which 21 mm lens would you suggest for the Monochrom (version 1)? How about the Voigtländer Color Skopar 21mm/f4? regards, magnus The VC 21mm/f4 is excellent with the MM1, ( also with the M240/M10/M10-D too ). I also really like the compact size of this lens on an M body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffreyg Posted April 27, 2019 Share #18 Posted April 27, 2019 The VC 21 f4 is certainly great in size and price, but I find it too soft on the edges - blurring, distortion. The Leica 21 SEM is sharp to the corners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewCD Posted June 23, 2019 Share #19 Posted June 23, 2019 On 3/10/2019 at 10:46 AM, Magnus_L_Andersson said: The favourites seem to be the VC/4 and Biogon/2.8, but has anyone tried the VC/3.5 ? Want to find a sweet spot between size, weight, aperture and image quality, hence original Leica lenses are in the game by price to have lower prio than the other parameters. Hello everybody This is my first post on this forum. This topic is of interest to me, because I have recently succumbed to temptation and have ordered an M246 (at the new, reduced price here in the UK). I hope it’s okay to be posting this here, rather than starting a new thread. Specifically, I would be very interested to know of any experiences of using the relatively new CV 21/3.5 lens, that Mr Andersson asked about here a few month ago. I’d like to buy a 21mm lens to use on the M246, when it arrives, and also on an MP which I have had for a little while (it was using the MP that convinced me that I should stop vacillating and get a monochrom). It will be used primarily for landscapes, mostly in Scotland, sometimes in low light, and, less often, for churches and cathedrals (inside and out). So, although a really fast lens is arguably less important for the M246, given its ISO performance, it’s obviously a little more important for film. Although the CV 21/1.8 is tempting, I’d also like something quite small, hence my interest in the CV 21/3.5. (I need to decide whether size or speed is more important.) I’ve failed to find much about it on the internet (aside from one pretty positive review, here by Steve Huff). So if anybody has actually used it on either monochrom camera — or, for that matter, on any other camera — it would be great to hear what you think. The Zeiss 21/2.8 is also an option, of course. Thanks …. Andrew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Vonn Posted June 23, 2019 Share #20 Posted June 23, 2019 Another vote for the Biogon, it's superb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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