willeica Posted March 3, 2019 Share #61 Posted March 3, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 42 minutes ago, pedaes said: One dealer who is highly likely to be in this position is Lars Netopil in Wetzlar and well worth the cost of a phone call to ask him.http://lars-netopil.com/en/index.html Absolutely right, Keith. Recommended by me already above. Lars would also take Ivar through the direct sale v auction route and, indeed, he may even have a buyer ready to take this. He does a lot work with Chinese clients. William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 Hi willeica, Take a look here Leica Rigid Summicron-M 2.0/50mm Black Paint . I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Ivar B Posted March 4, 2019 Author Share #62 Posted March 4, 2019 Let us move away from selling for a moment and talk about the lens. I met with a friend of mine who is interested in buying the lens yesterday evening. A pub is a nice place to meet. We wanted to test out how the focusing performs on a digital M and we did a copuple of shots in the pub. Here is a shot taken in near darknes 3200 ISO, M10-P, wide open, focusing on the ladies hand. The lens is razor sharp and draws beautifully. No wonder so many love the Rigid. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/294747-leica-rigid-summicron-m-2050mm-black-paint/?do=findComment&comment=3695210'>More sharing options...
wizard Posted March 4, 2019 Share #63 Posted March 4, 2019 Am 1.3.2019 um 21:03 schrieb Ivar B: Serial number is 1954538 and focusing ring is scalloped as you suggest: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Looking at the base ring (the one that carries the bayonet mount) it seems as if that ring was repainted at some point. The paint on that ring looks too "thick". The depth of field numbers and other engravings on that ring are not really "clear". Looks like some of the repaint color has flown into those engravings, and someone then tried to reapply the white colored indices. Still, those black paint lenses are relatively rare, so a collector might be willing to pay a premium. Cheers, Andy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivar B Posted March 4, 2019 Author Share #64 Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, wizard said: Looking at the base ring (the one that carries the bayonet mount) it seems as if that ring was repainted at some point. The paint on that ring looks too "thick". The depth of field numbers and other engravings on that ring are not really "clear". Looks like some of the repaint color has flown into those engravings, and someone then tried to reapply the white colored indices. Still, those black paint lenses are relatively rare, so a collector might be willing to pay a premium. Cheers, Andy Photos have been sent to several experts now and everyone agrees this is an original. They all look like you describe. The first owner bought the lens as a museum piece in the early 1960s, and it was since sold to the second owner who has owned it for decades. Edited March 4, 2019 by Ivar B Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabears Posted March 4, 2019 Share #65 Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, wizard said: Looking at the base ring (the one that carries the bayonet mount) it seems as if that ring was repainted at some point. The paint on that ring looks too "thick". The depth of field numbers and other engravings on that ring are not really "clear". Looks like some of the repaint color has flown into those engravings, and someone then tried to reapply the white colored indices. Still, those black paint lenses are relatively rare, so a collector might be willing to pay a premium. Cheers, Andy I totally agree! This is the reason why I asked for some better photos about the lens, but I had no response. I have seen/studied/dismounted a lot of these black paint items over decades (I actually own some of them, too, both in 3,5 and 5cm) but I've never seen this kind of "thick" paint. I believe it is a retouched/repainted ring, even if I think that the lens may be original. Said this: I also strongly think that Ivar is absolutely honest, and that he tells only what others tell to him... Edited March 4, 2019 by sabears 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted March 4, 2019 Share #66 Posted March 4, 2019 I'm not commenting any further in this thread except to mention getting a little weary of it and for several reasons … seems to contravene forum rules but the mods seem reluctant to mention why. Say no more. dunk 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted March 4, 2019 Share #67 Posted March 4, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 35 minutes ago, dkCambridgeshire said: I'm not commenting any further in this thread except to mention getting a little weary of it and for several reasons … seems to contravene forum rules but the mods seem reluctant to mention why. Say no more. dunk Oh - do tell! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted March 5, 2019 Share #68 Posted March 5, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, dkCambridgeshire said: I'm not commenting any further in this thread except to mention getting a little weary of it and for several reasons … seems to contravene forum rules but the mods seem reluctant to mention why. Say no more. dunk Uh ? Looks to me an honest and rather deep discussion about an interesting item… we have vaguley spoken of money, that's true (me included), but I don't say that we have broken the rule of "Forum does not provide evaluations"... And , Ivar... given that you did use the lens (which of course is at all correct… it was made for this…) I think you can use it also in a way it was designed for - lenshead only - so that other hints can arise looking at the two parts Edited March 5, 2019 by luigi bertolotti 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandro Posted March 5, 2019 Share #69 Posted March 5, 2019 46 minutes ago, luigi bertolotti said: And , Ivar... given that you did use the lens (which of course is at all correct… it was made for this…) I think you can use it also in a way it was designed for - lenshead only - so that other hints can arise looking at the two parts Ivar, I agree with Luigi, because I would still be interested to hear from you if that number 19 (and perhaps something else) is engraved on the lenshead, or in the focusing mount. Lex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted March 5, 2019 Share #70 Posted March 5, 2019 vor 15 Stunden schrieb sabears: Said this: I also strongly think that Ivar is absolutely honest, and that he tells only what others tell to him... Oh, of course. I know Ivar in person, have bought two lenses from him, he is absolutely trustworthy, no question about that. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivar B Posted March 5, 2019 Author Share #71 Posted March 5, 2019 I sent lots of detailed photos to Jo Geier in Wetzlar also, and I have a very friendly and thorough reply. Firstly, there are no issues with respect to originality. Secondly, if listed in his auction, starting price would be 3000 Euros. He estimates that it could sell for around 6000 Euros. The auction fees are more or less the same as in Westlicht, so if sold for 6 000, the owner would receive about 4000. 4000 is at present not the highest offer. It is not my lens and my mission is only to help an elderly owner obtain a fair value for it. I will present the options to him and he will make his decision. That`s it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted March 5, 2019 Share #72 Posted March 5, 2019 I am sure he will be very pleased with 4-5000 rather than the 4-500 he could have sold for. 6k always seemed right as I mentioned in post #8. Also sure he will be very grateful to you. Did you ask if he had a black body to go with it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivar B Posted March 5, 2019 Author Share #73 Posted March 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, pedaes said: I am sure he will be very pleased with 4-5000 rather than the 4-500 he could have sold for. 6k always seemed right as I mentioned in post #8. Also sure he will be very grateful to you. Did you ask if he had a black body to go with it? Yes, he obtained the lens in the early 1970s with an M5. The camera is in good condition but there is a damage to the vulcanite. I will try and get that sorted out for him. Appratently the first owner had bought the lens with a black M2 or M3. The whereabouts of that camera is unknown, and since the trade took place many decades ago, trying to trace that person is diffifult. The lens also came with a black Leitz Wetzlar UV-filter. Apparently the filter has been in place since day 1 and the front lens is immaculate. Also, I can`t recall having seen a black Wetzlar UV E39. The filters I have seen are all chrome, but it is reasonable that a black lens was supplied with a black filter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted March 5, 2019 Share #74 Posted March 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Ivar B said: I sent lots of detailed photos to Jo Geier in Wetzlar also, and I have a very friendly and thorough reply. Firstly, there are no issues with respect to originality. Secondly, if listed in his auction, starting price would be 3000 Euros. He estimates that it could sell for around 6000 Euros. The auction fees are more or less the same as in Westlicht, so if sold for 6 000, the owner would receive about 4000. 4000 is at present not the highest offer. It is not my lens and my mission is only to help an elderly owner obtain a fair value for it. I will present the options to him and he will make his decision. That`s it. Is Jo selling this lens via Wetzlar Camera Auctions which is his joint venture with Lars Netopil? I exchanged emails with Lars yesterday and he said that the venture was going very well. The first auction is scheduled for next October. Jo could also sell this lens through his shop in Vienna or on eBay. Jo and Lars have many wealthy customers, particularly in Asia. You are talking to the right type of people. William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabears Posted March 5, 2019 Share #75 Posted March 5, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Ivar B said: I sent lots of detailed photos to Jo Geier in Wetzlar also, and I have a very friendly and thorough reply. Firstly, there are no issues with respect to originality. Secondly, if listed in his auction, starting price would be 3000 Euros. He estimates that it could sell for around 6000 Euros. The auction fees are more or less the same as in Westlicht, so if sold for 6 000, the owner would receive about 4000. 4000 is at present not the highest offer. It is not my lens and my mission is only to help an elderly owner obtain a fair value for it. I will present the options to him and he will make his decision. That`s it. Sorry, I really don't understand why you ask an opinion to the forum, if you already know everything, including the "best worldwide experts" opinion, clearly the only ones worthy to see your "secret photos" concerning this item. Gruss. Edited March 5, 2019 by sabears 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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