Pyrogallol Posted February 28, 2019 Share #21 Posted February 28, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) The lens looks to me like a faked Russian one made to look like an Elmar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 28, 2019 Posted February 28, 2019 Hi Pyrogallol, Take a look here Leica 1c ADMIRALTY.NP . I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Fiona Posted February 28, 2019 Author Share #22 Posted February 28, 2019 What makes you think that the lens looks fake? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrogallol Posted February 28, 2019 Share #23 Posted February 28, 2019 (edited) It looks a bit like this, with an aperture indicator added and odd engravings. I might well be wrong. What does the front look like with the filter removed? https://goo.gl/images/Y1bMnu Edited February 28, 2019 by Pyrogallol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted February 28, 2019 Share #24 Posted February 28, 2019 The lens looks genuine to me. It does, however, look a bit like a nickel lens in a chrome mount (with the distance scale). The nickel will look more 'yellow' than the chrome. As I mentioned earlier, some early nickel lenses had no serial number and none was added when they were standardised (with a '0' added) and changed to a 7 O'Clock infinity lock like this one. A nickel lens would not have been supplied with this camera in 1938 as the manufacture of nickel lenses and fittings had ceased around 1936. William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiona Posted February 28, 2019 Author Share #25 Posted February 28, 2019 I think perhaps you are right. The metal round the lens is definitely more yellow than the ring with the distance (mtr) on. The bit of the lens which moves in and out (about 3/4" long) is mostly a silvery colour but it looks rubbed off in a patch which has a yellow (verging on a very slight pink colour). I definitely cannot find a serial no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiona Posted February 28, 2019 Author Share #26 Posted February 28, 2019 4 hours ago, willeica said: The lens shown above is slightly different as it is a 3.5cm (35mm) lens rather than the 50mm lens which is attached to your camera. A standardised lens with a '0' on it should usually have a serial number on it unless it is an upgraded very early lens. Is this bad? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derleicaman Posted February 28, 2019 Share #27 Posted February 28, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 hours ago, Fiona said: I think perhaps you are right. The metal round the lens is definitely more yellow than the ring with the distance (mtr) on. The bit of the lens which moves in and out (about 3/4" long) is mostly a silvery colour but it looks rubbed off in a patch which has a yellow (verging on a very slight pink colour). I definitely cannot find a serial no. Here's a picture of a 5cm Elmar with the serial number engraving, in this picture just above the Elmar engraving. As I noted before, it is sort of blind embossed and can be very hard to see. If you have no serial engraved at all, then it is possible the lens was from the very early production when no serial number was engraved. This might be possible, as picture of yours might indicate re-fitting an early head (nickel, which is yellower in appearance) into a chrome standardized mount. This would indicate that the lens was not original with the camera. This could very easily happen and is no big deal. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/294681-leica-1c-admiraltynp/?do=findComment&comment=3693010'>More sharing options...
willeica Posted February 28, 2019 Share #28 Posted February 28, 2019 32 minutes ago, Fiona said: Is this bad? Not really. People sometimes prefer to have a lens that is contemporary with the camera rather than an earlier or later lens. The other thing is that collectors often wish to have a lens which matches the 'furniture' ie knobs and dials etc, on the camera, which in your case are chrome. On the other hand, nickel lenses usually fetch a bit more than their chrome equivalents. Also early lenses with no serial number are sometimes regarded as being somewhat more valuable by collectors. These points may be a bit difficult to follow, as collectors can sometimes have preferences that are not immediately apparent to non collectors. The most important features with your camera are, however, the Admiralty markings. I would suggest that you might consider sending a query to the British Admiralty or the Royal Navy or to a naval historian. There may be information out there which has not reached the camera collecting community. William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiona Posted February 28, 2019 Author Share #29 Posted February 28, 2019 Goodness, you are all so kind and knowledgeable. Pic above is the lens. So...I understand that the lens may be an earlier one but something i have noticed is that my lens has 1:3.5 F = 50mm, whereas all the lenses I've seen show f = 50mm (or 5cm) 1:3.5 (i.e. in a different order) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/294681-leica-1c-admiraltynp/?do=findComment&comment=3693028'>More sharing options...
Fiona Posted February 28, 2019 Author Share #30 Posted February 28, 2019 Thank you willeica. I probably will take your advice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrogallol Posted March 1, 2019 Share #31 Posted March 1, 2019 I was wrong thinking it was Russian, it was the ridges on the filter that looked like the aperture ring of a Russian lens. You have a nice early Elmar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiona Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share #32 Posted March 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Pyrogallol said: I was wrong thinking it was Russian, it was the ridges on the filter that looked like the aperture ring of a Russian lens. You have a nice early Elmar. Thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted March 1, 2019 Share #33 Posted March 1, 2019 14 hours ago, Fiona said: Goodness, you are all so kind and knowledgeable. Pic above is the lens. So...I understand that the lens may be an earlier one but something i have noticed is that my lens has 1:3.5 F = 50mm, whereas all the lenses I've seen show f = 50mm (or 5cm) 1:3.5 (i.e. in a different order) "1 : 3,5 F = 50 mm" is a standard writing for first Elmars, and you can find it also on "7 o'clock" items : to be pedantic.. the font style / size is someway different from items of the same age/writing (see herunder) … but this is rather normal for old Elmars… the machining operations weren't yet strictly standardized… and they had to ramp up production… Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/294681-leica-1c-admiraltynp/?do=findComment&comment=3693346'>More sharing options...
Fiona Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share #34 Posted March 1, 2019 The actual lens holder colour looks the same as mine but you are right the font is different. Your pic has a much sharper font. Does this take away from the value? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted March 1, 2019 Share #35 Posted March 1, 2019 57 minutes ago, Fiona said: The actual lens holder colour looks the same as mine but you are right the font is different. Your pic has a much sharper font. Does this take away from the value? The answer is no. Here are some variations in converted Elmars shown below. There were more variations in early Elmars than most collectors are aware of. Jerzy ( a fellow forum member) and I did an exercise some years ago on 50mm/5cm Elmars and we came up with more variations than exist in most text books. I was a bit worried about the item on the left below as the black ring with cut outs around the lens glass looks like something that is seen in Russian copies, but I showed this to James Lager, who is one of the leading authorities on Leicas in the whole world, and he assured me that the lens was genuine. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The lens on the left above has a flat infinity pin, something that is not often seen. William Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The lens on the left above has a flat infinity pin, something that is not often seen. William ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/294681-leica-1c-admiraltynp/?do=findComment&comment=3693394'>More sharing options...
Fiona Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share #36 Posted March 1, 2019 I notice that the goldish coloured bit at the front of the lens which has the roughened edge has a tiny round hole in it. It looks like a triangular notch in the pic but it is a round hole. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/294681-leica-1c-admiraltynp/?do=findComment&comment=3693451'>More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted March 1, 2019 Share #37 Posted March 1, 2019 The hole is normal. Behind it is a tiny set screw that keeps the front flange from unscrewing from the lens tube. The hole give access for a screwdriver to the screw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiona Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share #38 Posted March 1, 2019 Thank you everyone who has taken the time to answer my questions. I am a complete novice when it comes to 35mm cameras and i have learnt so much more about Dads camera. Fiona Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted March 1, 2019 Share #39 Posted March 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Fiona said: I notice that the goldish coloured bit at the front of the lens which has the roughened edge has a tiny round hole in it. It looks like a triangular notch in the pic but it is a round hole. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! But the screw serving as a stop is not original for sure... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted March 1, 2019 Share #40 Posted March 1, 2019 It should be worth to inspect it with attention to some details… for example… the infrared mark… was it standard in Elmars of this kind ? And the more I look at, the more the fonts of front engraving seem a bit odd to me... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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