edstock Posted December 27, 2018 Share #1 Posted December 27, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) I just acquired a like new, never used, M4-P. This gorgeous camera has original case, with strap, still boxed, instruction book, certificate of special serial number, and two comparison photos one from 1913 the other 1983. The camera is the limited edition celebrating 70 years of Leitz Leica of which only 2,500 where produced. The dealer I purchased it from had it CLAd by DAG in August 2018. This camera has a very solid feel. Just wanted to share my good fortune. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 27, 2018 Posted December 27, 2018 Hi edstock, Take a look here Just acquired M4-P in box. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
frame-it Posted December 27, 2018 Share #2 Posted December 27, 2018 a photo with the box open would be nice too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted December 27, 2018 Share #3 Posted December 27, 2018 (edited) Nice find, like this ? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! In my M horde, this one is the the most "virile" in use (less smooth than most). Have fun with your M4-P Found in Wiki in this page M4-P (to be corrected ...) Quote Code numbers - 10416 (13-83.CHROM) Production era - 1981-1987 > 24,970 cameras Variants - Canadian (ELC) and Wetzlar (ELW); black, chrome, M6 Viewfinder version after s/n 1642551 Special editions - 1913-1983 "70 year" edition (inscribed on right shoulder of camera back - 2500 cameras)- Mount Everest (symbol centered on top plate) -1586371-1586565- (200 total) Materials - First Leica with vinyl "leatherette" in lieu of "vulcanite" (vulcanized rubber) jacket material; early M4-P top and bottom plates are brass and later zinc after introduction of the M6. Bolded text (by me), not correct for "leatherette on M4-P". All of M4-P that I use (d) from new are covered with vulcanite as former M4s. "Leatherette" (vinyl) began life with M6 =not on M4-P or M4-2 Edited December 28, 2018 by a.noctilux 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! In my M horde, this one is the the most "virile" in use (less smooth than most). Have fun with your M4-P Found in Wiki in this page M4-P (to be corrected ...) Bolded text (by me), not correct for "leatherette on M4-P". All of M4-P that I use (d) from new are covered with vulcanite as former M4s. "Leatherette" (vinyl) began life with M6 =not on M4-P or M4-2 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/292668-just-acquired-m4-p-in-box/?do=findComment&comment=3654100'>More sharing options...
TG14 Posted December 28, 2018 Share #4 Posted December 28, 2018 Never knew the m4-p has LEICA in 3 places. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted December 28, 2018 Share #5 Posted December 28, 2018 13 minutes ago, TG14 said: Never knew the m4-p has LEICA in 3 places. Just only two times "Leica" and three times "Leitz" 😏 on the M4-P body : front, top and back Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/292668-just-acquired-m4-p-in-box/?do=findComment&comment=3654109'>More sharing options...
pico Posted December 28, 2018 Share #6 Posted December 28, 2018 My M4-P has only one "Leica" engraving and it is on the front. Two more "Leitz" engravings are on the top plate, and the rear-facing top plate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted December 28, 2018 Share #7 Posted December 28, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello Everybody, Unlike some other "M" cameras:The M4-P has had a variety of different engraving systems that have been used thruout its production lifetime. There might be more variations of M4-P engravings than there are of any of the other "M" models. Special editions excepted, of course, where that category most likely goes to the M6. Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted December 28, 2018 Share #8 Posted December 28, 2018 (edited) On the balance of naming evidence it should be called the Leitz M4-P as only the very last batch were assembled in Wetzlar, which mine was, but it still says 'Leitz' three times. The smoothest Leica I've ever owned, a joy to use. Edited December 28, 2018 by 250swb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiver Posted December 28, 2018 Share #9 Posted December 28, 2018 Congratulations! May it serve you well for decades to come! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benqui Posted December 28, 2018 Share #10 Posted December 28, 2018 Congrats! You will love your new camera! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TG14 Posted December 29, 2018 Share #11 Posted December 29, 2018 On 12/28/2018 at 8:36 AM, a.noctilux said: Just only two times "Leica" and three times "Leitz" 😏 on the M4-P body : front, top and back Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! What are the M and X buttons for? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted December 29, 2018 Share #12 Posted December 29, 2018 Flash plugs with covers on. Flash type synchronisations, M for bulb flashes and X for electronic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham (G4FUJ) Posted December 29, 2018 Share #13 Posted December 29, 2018 (edited) Sockets for connecting flash guns. The black "buttons" are protective rubber/plastic caps. Edit - beat me to it! Edited December 29, 2018 by Graham (G4FUJ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted December 29, 2018 Share #14 Posted December 29, 2018 (edited) On 12/28/2018 at 1:11 AM, 250swb said: On the balance of naming evidence it should be called the Leitz M4-P as only the very last batch were assembled in Wetzlar, which mine was, but it still says 'Leitz' three times. The smoothest Leica I've ever owned, a joy to use. ??? Bit confused here. Any Leica with the model name (not to be confused with the corporate logo - "red dot") on the front, uses LEICA. LEICAflex, LEICAflex SL, LEICAflex SL2, LEICA M5, LEICA M4-2, LEICA M4-P, LEICA M6, LEICA R4, etc. Until the M7 and digitals. ________________________ Otherwise: M-sync. Fired flash bulbs. Synced to trigger the flash immediately upon shutter-button press, so that the burning bulb filament had time to reach peak brightness by the time the shutter opened X-sync. For electronic flash. Sync delayed a few milliseconds to fire at the point the focal-plane shutter was already fully open across the whole frame (at 1/50th sec or slower). "Leica" script on the back only for the 1983 special M4-P edition commemorating 70 years of Leicas - doesn't appear on basic M4-Ps. Edited December 29, 2018 by adan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted December 29, 2018 Share #15 Posted December 29, 2018 (edited) Hello TG14, Welcome to the Forum. Additionally: The black caps signify that the flash connections underneath are the standard PC (Prontor-Compur) connections while those cameras with white caps have the (Original to the early "M" cameras.) Leitz proprietary flash connections which were more robust & held the cord better. Unfortunately the "PC" connector remained as a standard & the Leitz connectors's service ended with the introduction of the MDa. The MDa is the finderless camera who's introduction preceded the introduction of the M4. Best Regards, Michael Edited December 29, 2018 by Michael Geschlecht Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted December 29, 2018 Share #16 Posted December 29, 2018 M-sync typically starts the flashbulb immediately then delays the shutter about 20 milliseconds. Nobody talked about shutter-lag then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted December 29, 2018 Share #17 Posted December 29, 2018 1 hour ago, pico said: M-sync typically starts the flashbulb immediately then delays the shutter about 20 milliseconds. Nobody talked about shutter-lag then. Flash shutter lag can be set in 2 milliseconds steps with Leica IIIf 😂 0 to 20 around the main shutter button 😉 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted December 29, 2018 Share #18 Posted December 29, 2018 30 minutes ago, a.noctilux said: Flash shutter lag can be set in 2 milliseconds steps with Leica IIIf 😂 0 to 20 around the main shutter button 😉 Thank you. That is remarkable! Does the IIIg do the same? I am missing the flash table in my instructions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted December 29, 2018 Share #19 Posted December 29, 2018 Pico, flash sync was remarkably complex in that IIIf, IIIg period 🙈 For your IIIg, see table below From this 1976 Leitz Catalog (in french) 2 pages for flash synch for Leica in french "temps de pose" = shutter speed "chiffre de contact noir" = "black dial" setting number "...rouge" = red dial Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/292668-just-acquired-m4-p-in-box/?do=findComment&comment=3655102'>More sharing options...
250swb Posted December 30, 2018 Share #20 Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, adan said: ??? Bit confused here. Any Leica with the model name (not to be confused with the corporate logo - "red dot") on the front, uses LEICA. LEICAflex, LEICAflex SL, LEICAflex SL2, LEICA M5, LEICA M4-2, LEICA M4-P, LEICA M6, LEICA R4, etc. I was simply joshing about Leitz being prominently displayed three times and Leica only once, especially as they were not made 'at Leica'. Besides which 'Leicaflex' is one word, not 'Leica-flex' so only if you cover 'flex' with your thumb does it say 'Leica' anywhere on a camera called a Leicaflex (later models excepted, terms and conditions apply, no responsibility by the writer is taken for errors or intentional and unintentional comments or allusions). Edited December 30, 2018 by 250swb 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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