Help me decide my new M10 framelines

[beckzito]

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Hi all,

 

I know its subjective matter but i wanted your opinion on this:

 

i will buy a new M10 in the next few days and i plan to shoot mainly with a 50mm lens with some use of 24mm and 75mm lenses in the future.

Must i decide to go with a  certain viewfinder magnification ratio of 0.58, 0.72 and 0.85?Or does the M10 allows me to change at a flick of the lever?

If i must decide on one , whats you recomendation? i thought of going with the 0.85, having big framelines(i dont wear glasses btw) for the 50 and 75 and use the entire viewfinder to guess 99% of the 24 perspective.

 

Any help is much appreciated, many thanks.

Edited September 21, 2018 by beckzito

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[fatihayoglu]

As long as you don't go go  A La Cart option, the viewfinder is fixed, which is .72 I guess. 

There are no frame lines for 24mm lens, in any viewfinder options. Your only chance for accurate framings is LV or EVF.

for 28, 35, 50, 75, 90 and 135; the level will automatically will show appropriate frame lines.

[UliWer]

You only get one viewfinder maginfication for the M 10 which is 0.73, so no reason to worry about a wrong decision.

 

only with film M bodies you had the choice of different magnification ratios.

[lucerne]

Hi beckzito. The M10 viewfinder has a single fixed magnification factor of 0.72. There is no option at the time of purchase and no built in switch to select any alternative. However, there are viewfinder magnifiers which are screw-in accessories designed to increase the viewfinder image size. If you decide to buy one of these, you’ll have to decide which is going to be most useful to see the frame lines that are important to you.

Hope that helps.

[pedaes]

i will buy a new M10 in the next few days....

 

Based on your question and with all due respect, suggest you do a little more research before you leap.

[Gobert]

As long as you don't go go  A La Cart option, the viewfinder is fixed, which is .72 I guess. 

There are no frame lines for 24mm lens, in any viewfinder options. Your only chance for accurate framings is LV or EVF.

for 28, 35, 50, 75, 90 and 135; the level will automatically will show appropriate frame lines.

24 is the whole viewfinder.

[lucerne]

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Beckzito.

I think that you will find the Visoflex 020 more useful since you plan to use 24mm and 135mm . This hotshoe EVF will give you an accurate view for wide angle and telephoto and when there are no frame lines. (24 mm and wider). You’ll also need a second battery.

[Jeff S]

M10 = .73x magnification, as UliWer notes (M240 was .68x). Plus a larger VF opening and better eye relief than its predecessors. The frame lines are optimized for 2m, like the M240 (and variants) and the M8.2 (M8 lines optimized at .7 m and M9 variants at 1m). The focus patch is set at a virtual distance of 2m, like all recent M cameras. But one only knows what works best by trying....after first correcting eyes for distance and any astigmatism.

 

Jeff

Edited September 21, 2018 by Jeff S

[JAC]

If you are getting a longer lens you could always add a magnifier.  At a Leica boutique you can try them out.

[Herr Barnack]

I have an M-P 240 with the 0.72 viewfinder, which means that 28mm is the widest frame lines I have.  I have a SE 21/3.4 which I shoot with, too though. 

 

I have discovered that it is easy to guesstimate what I will get with my 21/3.4 even though it goes a little wider than my 28mm frame line.  It is really not that big of a deal, IMHO - particularly since 95% of my shooting is hand held. 

 

Photographers can be OCD, which means that we sometimes make a big deal out of things that really aren't that big of a deal. 

 

Just my personal experience...

[Jeff S]

I have an M-P 240 with the 0.72 viewfinder, which means that 28mm is the widest frame lines I have.

Did you have it custom made a la carte? If not, it’s .68x magnification, as I noted earlier.

 

Jeff

[marcg]

I find that shooting 24 mm, the image almost decisively fills the entire frame – no need for frame lines and frankly the convenience of not having to put on a viewfinder outweighs any slight inaccuracy.

 

Using a 24 mm lens, just try peeking into the edges of the image in the viewfinder and you will probably find that it is fine

[Herr Barnack]

Did you have it custom made a la carte? If not, it’s .68x magnification, as I noted earlier.

 

Jeff

 

 It is a Safari M-P240, so it must be 0.68x. 

Edited September 22, 2018 by Herr Barnack

[beckzito]

99% of you were really helpfull, thank you!

[Guest]

I too concur with 99% of the advice given here and yet it is a pity that Leica doesn't offer viewfinder magnifications other than 0.73 at this time for the M10, even with their a la carte programme that I believe at this point doesn't even include the M10 body anyway.

It's a shame that one is stuck with the one viewfinder magnification choice now with Leica's present "off the shelf" digital M10's, ( as noted in the thread, the 240 does have a 0.68 and that's a better FL for me ), but if they ever do offer it in a la carte or in a serviceable update to existing camera bodies I'd be all over that to get a 0.58 viewfinder in my M10. Hopefully I wouldn't have to buy a new camera to have that done!

The M10P's upgrades do not offer me anything more than what my 1 year old M10 has, but a choice of finders, a 0.58 in particular, would be irresistible. My film M7's and MP's all have 0.58 viewfinders.

I shoot primarily 35mm focal length and below very rarely going to 50mm, never above. This is where the M / rangefinder style of photography shines for me and this is where the 0.58 VF makes sense,.

At any event beckzito, I do hope that you will enjoy your new M when you do get it in hand.........

[beckzito]

Tks

I stick to my inital plan:first a 50mm to come with the body(probably a summarit 2.4) and then adding a 24mm(framelines limit for a 95% guess or the screen itself) and then manybe a 75mm.

I had a M7 0.72 with a 35mm and at that tine, i think i had prefered the 0.58 mag. cause i just like a lot of space around the frameline.

In this case, its a shame we cannot should different than 0.72 on a M10 but its just another thing we dont need to worry about.

[JDFlood]

My only recommendation is to only purchase one lens initially and use it a lot. I find the lenses I use on my M10 are not the same as I have used commonly on my other cameras: Nikon and Fuji X. I've only been shooting an M for a year, has completely changed my perspective on shooting. JD