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Like lots of us I spend hours every day with my camera. I don't just look at the specs, I'm much much more interested in the experience of shooting. I don't want 26 pages of menus or 63 buttons. I act

jonoslack
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Hi There Martin The SL does use thinner sensor glass (as the T, TL and CL do).   But you don't need thinner sensor glass for SL lenses, and therefore there would be no need for Panasonic to do this

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The whole magazine is worth a read: http://www.fdtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/80FDTimes-LEICA-PortugalFactoryTour.pdf

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What do you mean 'this kind of tracking'? The SL does tracking and can handle that scenario and that speed of movement - but that is the easiest sort of scenario. 

I would expect the S1 to do better (in lower contrast scenes, at higher speed, crossing subjects etc), because it is more modern by several years.

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3 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

What do you mean 'this kind of tracking'? The SL does tracking and can handle that scenario and that speed of movement - but that is the easiest sort of scenario. 

I would expect the S1 to do better (in lower contrast scenes, at higher speed, crossing subjects etc), because it is more modern by several years.

cool..that's what i was curious about

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On 3/1/2019 at 11:10 PM, thighslapper said:

The Blind Elephant Man excels himself in this review.

Fewer 'hold that thought's' than usual ...... but world leading predominantly incoherent philosophical ramblings instead. Enjoy !

 

 

What happened to that guys hair, looks like he’s been struck by lightning and cannot stop talking jibberish 

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I had a chance to try the S1, the S1r, and the Panasonic lenses yesterday. Here are my first impressions.

  • So many buttons! I know it looks like it has too many buttons, but they multiply when you try to hold it.
  • Holy overlays! As originally handed to me, the viewfinder had so many informational overlays that I could barely tell where I was pointing the camera. The impression is of an airplane glass cockpit, complete with attitude and heading indicators. Strangely, cycling through the dedicated "display" button did not noticeably alter this.
  • The menu has a vast and deep structure that will appeal to speleologists. The rep and I tried to turn off most of the overlays, and each one was in its own distant neighbourhood. You almost need GPS to navigate the menu.
  • I didn't try all the buttons, of course, but I did spot some annoyances. For instance, when in manual focus, you need to press the focus button twice to engage magnification. I'm not sure what the first click did, it didn't obviously change anything.
  • The hand-hold seemed a bit less secure than the SL, perhaps because I was unsure where to place my thumb. Weight/heft is broadly similar to the SL.
  • The lenses are quite large, as is the fashion these days. They seem sharp right to the edges. I especially like the manual focus ring on the 50/1.4, it has hard stops and a good feel. Honestly, I would pick it over the Summilux (or the Sigma Art) just for that. Sorry to say, but the Leica and Sigma lenses feel like pedaling a bicycle that has dropped its chain.
  • The viewfinder is nice and sharp. No problem focusing by eye after all the "helpers" have been dismissed.
  • The shutter is quick and quiet
  • Image quality is what you would expect. Everything seems just fine.
  • I mostly shot video, because that's what I would use this camera for. It looks good. The S1 has a tiltable screen and on-board 10-bit recording (and additional features coming in a paid firmware upgrade), which means that it is self-contained. The SL needs an external recorder for 10-bit, and that is a lot more conspicuous and awkward.

Overall, I think the S1/S1r were designed with a very different philosophy from the SL. Putting aside price, most people will be drawn to one or to the other. Do you like clean functional design, or do you prefer a "full-featured" interface? In my case, there's no question. I would gladly pay twice the price of the S1 to get the SL, just for the interface. I will never use most of the buttons on the S1, and would probably tape them over just to satisfy my soul.

That being said, it's clear that Panasonic is a lot more serious about video than Leica ever was. Maybe this will light a fire under Leica's (...), or maybe the SL2 will be like the TL2/Q2/CL and offer the minimum amount of video functionality, just so they can say it has "4k."

 

The rep tells me that the system will be available on April 6.

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vor 6 Stunden schrieb BernardC:
  • Holy overlays! As originally handed to me, the viewfinder had so many informational overlays that I could barely tell where I was pointing the camera. The impression is of an airplane glass cockpit, complete with attitude and heading indicators.

I have a head-up display in my car, so I might feel right at home.

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  • I didn't try all the buttons, of course, ...

Bummer

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  • ...For instance, when in manual focus, you need to press the focus button twice to engage magnification. I'm not sure what the first click did, it didn't obviously change anything.

It prepared the camera for the second click, obviously.

vor 6 Stunden schrieb BernardC:
  • ...I especially like the manual focus ring on the 50/1.4, it has hard stops and a good feel. Honestly, I would pick it over the Summilux (or the Sigma Art) just for that.

Somebody will compare the performance of the two or three, I guess.

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I would gladly pay twice the price of the S1 to get the SL, just for the interface. I will never use most of the buttons on the S1, and would probably tape them over just to satisfy my soul.

I ordered an S1R, the buttons are a big concern.  Lately I've shot my SL/24-90 and the images continue to be exceptional.  Still, the prospect of 47mp with Leica glass and features such as focus bracketing and pixel shift are intriguing.  Leica has been more adept at moving toward minimalism with the M than toward state of the art with the S and SL, so it remains to be seen if they can compete on features.    

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8 hours ago, darylgo said:

I ordered an S1R, the buttons are a big concern.  Lately I've shot my SL/24-90 and the images continue to be exceptional.  Still, the prospect of 47mp with Leica glass and features such as focus bracketing and pixel shift are intriguing.  Leica has been more adept at moving toward minimalism with the M than toward state of the art with the S and SL, so it remains to be seen if they can compete on features.    

..... and it remains to be seen whether the plethora of buttons and features are a welcome bonus or just a nuisance that gets in the way of taking photos :rolleyes:

I just hope there is enough customisation to be able to remove the unwanted crap and rely on a handful of presets giving a simplified interface ....

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8 hours ago, darylgo said:

I ordered an S1R, the buttons are a big concern.  Lately I've shot my SL/24-90 and the images continue to be exceptional.  Still, the prospect of 47mp with Leica glass and features such as focus bracketing and pixel shift are intriguing.  Leica has been more adept at moving toward minimalism with the M than toward state of the art with the S and SL, so it remains to be seen if they can compete on features.    

I hope they continue to move towards minimalism and usability in the SL, CL and TL, as they have done so far. And I hope they don't try to compete with the S1 on features.

IMO, that means they really will remain the state of the art!

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I'm hoping for next gen Epson VF chip in the SL2. They introduced a 4.4M dot one in 2015. Let's see what Epson comes up with this time. And Leica optics will be able to take advantage of it to create a truly amazing EVF, I think. Now that would be state of the art! 

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34 minutes ago, Chaemono said:

I'm hoping for next gen Epson VF chip in the SL2. They introduced a 4.4M dot one in 2015. Let's see what Epson comes up with this time. And Leica optics will be able to take advantage of it to create a truly amazing EVF, I think. Now that would be state of the art! 

+1. The optics Leica has put into the SL EVF is often under-appreciated. But it is the combination of the Epson EVF and the EVF optics that excels. 

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In the 2015 three minute video I linked to in the other thread, Andreas Juergensen discusses with Stefan Daniel the reason for taking so long to bring out what Stefan called the “spiritual” successor to the R, which was discontinued in 2009. Leica had the idea of a FF mirrorless camera already in 2009, Stefan says, but the key components to allow for “fluid” operations of the camera were missing. The 4.4M dots Epson VF chip was one such key component, I think. With the SL2, Leica’s ambition with regards to the EVF is for it to be virtually indistinguishable from an OVF. For this they need the latest Epson tech, which will be very expensive when it comes to market, BTW.

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12 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

I hope they continue to move towards minimalism and usability in the SL, CL and TL, as they have done so far. And I hope they don't try to compete with the S1 on features.

IMO, that means they really will remain the state of the art!

In practice, Leica's interface is state of the art, best available.  Feature wise, what Leica lacks forces me and others to use non Leica bodies and lenses.  Can't have it both ways.  Looking at the menu system of the Panasonic S1 it's more bulky-Nikon/Canon than svelte-Leica, the deciding factor for adopting the system is field use, am I spending time shooting or fiddling with the controls.  The latest trend of lens customized rings is intriguing.  

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