evikne Posted June 23, 2022 Share #981 Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) f/5.6 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited June 23, 2022 by evikne 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/288041-35mm-14-summilux-pre-asph/?do=findComment&comment=4458924'>More sharing options...
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Dennis Posted June 24, 2022 Share #982 Posted June 24, 2022 (edited) And please, folks, tell me something. Is the 'modern' gap between the pre-asph and the pre-fle huge? Does it lose all the charm? Edited June 24, 2022 by Dennis 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted June 24, 2022 Share #983 Posted June 24, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Dennis said: Is the 'modern' gap between the pre-asph and the pre-fle huge? Does it lose all the charm? Huge difference in the correction of coma (the source of some glow, and the soft edges/corners in the pre-asph) and spherical aberration. Leica was especially proud of how nearly-perfect the coma correction is in the 35 Summilux-M ASPH (either FLE or pre-FLE). From the first sentence of the data sheet of the pre-FLE ASPH: The outstanding imaging performance of this very compact lens is due to the application of aspherical technology. It delivers high contrasts, excellent detail rendition over the entire image area, good field flatness, and it has extremely low coma. I shot a comparison of both pre-ASPH and ASPH v1 with "fairy lights" in around 2003, and was amazed at how the tiny lights in the corners of the frame remained pin-points even at f/1.4 (and better than the 35mm Summicron-M ASPH can do at f/2.0). Unfortunately I no longer have those shots, and and have never had a chance to repeat the experiment. The ASPH v1 does have its own charm - "persuasive" resolution/micro-contrast/definition across the whole frame at f/1.4, and moderate (perhaps "creamy") overall contrast and bokeh. Definitely NOT "clinical," especially at f/1.4, while being "cleaner" than the pre-ASPH. Microscopically warmer color than the pre-ASPH. One of the transitional lenses between Mandler and Karbe (designer was Walter Watz, under the supervision of Lothar Kölsch) - and Leica's signature lens 1994-2004 (advent of the 50 Summilux ASPH). I liked the imaging - but not so much the ergonomics (weight, size, and the fatter focus tabs Leica introduced around 1991 or so). I've tried it three times, and may go for a fourth if a good deal comes my way (while keeping the pre-ASPH this time as well ). Shot below is f/1.4 on Ilford Pan F, from 2003. (click through for larger) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited June 24, 2022 by adan 7 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/288041-35mm-14-summilux-pre-asph/?do=findComment&comment=4458990'>More sharing options...
Knipsknecht Posted June 24, 2022 Share #984 Posted June 24, 2022 vor 17 Stunden schrieb Knipsknecht: [...] without being a one-trick Pony. @hdmesa and @pippy I am sorry, I didn't meant this as a derogative towards the Summilux. I wanted to focus on the Voigtlander and express that the Voigtlander is (in my opinion) not a one-trick pony. After reading your comments I realized that it could be understood as a comment about the Lux. Sorry, guys, that wasn't my intention - but my wording was bad😓! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aryel Posted June 24, 2022 Share #985 Posted June 24, 2022 (edited) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! m3, summilux 35 pre-asph (v2 Canada), delta 3200 (dd-x) printed on mgfb warmtone (top) and classic (bottom) Edited June 24, 2022 by Aryel 13 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! m3, summilux 35 pre-asph (v2 Canada), delta 3200 (dd-x) printed on mgfb warmtone (top) and classic (bottom) ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/288041-35mm-14-summilux-pre-asph/?do=findComment&comment=4459152'>More sharing options...
pippy Posted June 24, 2022 Share #986 Posted June 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, Knipsknecht said: @hdmesa and @pippy ...I am sorry, I didn't meant this as a derogative towards the Summilux... Hey, no need to apologise, Knipsknecht; I was just slightly confused by your statement. Certainly the early 35 Summilux lenses have a particular type of rendering when shot wide-open but below, say, f2.8 they perform like any other top-quality lens of that era so in some respects they might be considered to be more versatile than many other 35mm lenses rather than less so. As it happens I have a great liking for Voigtlander's lenses myself. Until I picked-up my Summilux the most-used lens in my bag was one of their 40mm f1.4 Noktons. Philip. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted June 24, 2022 Share #987 Posted June 24, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) Tower Bridge viewed from the Horsleydown Steps, Shad Thames, London. M-D Typ-262, '74 v2 Summilux, Circ. Pola; Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Philip. 9 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Philip. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/288041-35mm-14-summilux-pre-asph/?do=findComment&comment=4459388'>More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted June 26, 2022 Share #988 Posted June 26, 2022 M11 -|- 35 Lux Pre-ASPH v2 -|- f/1.4 > click to see sharper version < // Standard C1 B&W -|- No Adjustments Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Cropped -|- Mastin Labs Ektar 100 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Cropped -|- Mastin Labs Ektar 100 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/288041-35mm-14-summilux-pre-asph/?do=findComment&comment=4459978'>More sharing options...
grahamc Posted June 26, 2022 Share #989 Posted June 26, 2022 On 6/25/2022 at 9:13 AM, pippy said: Tower Bridge viewed from the Horsleydown Steps, Shad Thames, London. M-D Typ-262, '74 v2 Summilux, Circ. Pola; Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Philip. How nice Phillip thanks for sharing ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted June 28, 2022 Share #990 Posted June 28, 2022 (edited) Sunset walk with the M11 + 35 Lux pre-ASPH. First shot is f/8, most of the rest are wide open. Click to scroll though sharper versions: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Crop from previous image: About a 90mm crop: Edited June 28, 2022 by hdmesa 14 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Crop from previous image: About a 90mm crop: ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/288041-35mm-14-summilux-pre-asph/?do=findComment&comment=4461593'>More sharing options...
egrossman Posted June 28, 2022 Share #991 Posted June 28, 2022 Well I managed to track down a minty 35mm Summilux pre-ASPH v2 (1991) made in Germany. Finding a later model was not easy let me tell you! It should ship from London to the Bay Area tomorrow. DHL is usually pretty speedy. Look was this thread has done to me! I guess the 28mm Summaron will have to wait a little longer… Erik 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
insideline Posted June 28, 2022 Share #992 Posted June 28, 2022 42 minutes ago, egrossman said: Well I managed to track down a minty 35mm Summilux pre-ASPH v2 (1991) made in Germany. Finding a later model was not easy let me tell you! It should ship from London to the Bay Area tomorrow. DHL is usually pretty speedy. Look was this thread has done to me! I guess the 28mm Summaron will have to wait a little longer… Erik Erik, Not to interfere in any way with your lens preferences, yet if I may I'd like to share that while my favorite focal length is 50mm and I own some very special and unique lenses in that FL, I feel my most special and unique lenses are my 35 1.4 pre-asph summilux lenses: first a 1961 35 1.4 Steel Rim and a late German titanium finish 360 serial number 35 1.4 pre-asph. I also recently traded away my mid 80's Canadian V2 black Summilux as it fell right between these two with the primary differences between all three of these 35 1.4 pre-asph version showed up when shot wide open f1.4, with the Steel Rim presenting the most acuity, clarity and a tie with the later German titanium for sharpness, whereas the Canadian copy was slightly less sharp and also presented a sort of halo of white around the subject, with the Titanium and the Steel Rim showing a glow on the edges and tips of the the subject matter. From f1.7 on up all three are incredibly sharp and wonderful lenses. I wish you well with your new lens as I know I will never sell my German titanium copy. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
egrossman Posted June 28, 2022 Share #993 Posted June 28, 2022 8 minutes ago, insideline said: Erik, Not to interfere in any way with your lens preferences, yet if I may I'd like to share that while my favorite focal length is 50mm and I own some very special and unique lenses in that FL, I feel my most special and unique lenses are my 35 1.4 pre-asph summilux lenses: first a 1961 35 1.4 Steel Rim and a late German titanium finish 360 serial number 35 1.4 pre-asph. I also recently traded away my mid 80's Canadian V2 black Summilux as it fell right between these two with the primary differences between all three of these 35 1.4 pre-asph version showed up when shot wide open f1.4, with the Steel Rim presenting the most acuity, clarity and a tie with the later German titanium for sharpness, whereas the Canadian copy was slightly less sharp and also presented a sort of halo of white around the subject, with the Titanium and the Steel Rim showing a glow on the edges and tips of the the subject matter. From f1.7 on up all three are incredibly sharp and wonderful lenses. I wish you well with your new lens as I know I will never sell my German titanium copy. My favorite focal length used to be 50mm and I own a range of lenses in that focal length. More recently, I’ve come to prefer 35mm and the softer pre-ASPH should be a nice contrast to the pre-FLE and v4 Summicron that I currently use. Thank you for the good wishes and happy shooting! Erik Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
egrossman Posted July 5, 2022 Share #994 Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) Well my lens arrived and was rather quickly mounted to my M10-D. First sample pics (at 1.4) were of the requisite cat and I'm pleasantly surprised that it's sharper than I anticipated. Definitely a more controlled glow as well (the second cat pic is a crop of the first). This v2 is a late (1991) German-made model, so I presume it has newer lens coatings. Erik Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited July 5, 2022 by egrossman 10 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/288041-35mm-14-summilux-pre-asph/?do=findComment&comment=4465936'>More sharing options...
pippy Posted July 6, 2022 Share #995 Posted July 6, 2022 14 hours ago, egrossman said: Well my lens arrived and was rather quickly mounted to my M10-D... Congrats on the new arrival (and the cat), Erik, and I trust it will be as good as you hoped it would be! Philip. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted July 6, 2022 Share #996 Posted July 6, 2022 One from yesterday. Entrance and foyer of the "Picture House Central" Cinema and Cafe-bar, Great Windmill Street, London W1. I like to imagine that the two chaps just visible in the snap are texting each other asking 'I'm here; where the Hell are You!?!'... M-D Typ-262, '74 v2, 1/180 @ f1.4, ISO 200; Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Philip. 9 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Philip. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/288041-35mm-14-summilux-pre-asph/?do=findComment&comment=4466291'>More sharing options...
egrossman Posted July 7, 2022 Share #997 Posted July 7, 2022 I took the Pre-ASPH out today for the first time and am surprised at how (relatively) sharp my copy of this lens is wide open. This photo was taken wide open on an M10M (orange filter). The glow also seems quite controlled. Based on other samples on this thread, I expected soft, glowy images wide open. This is a German-made lens from 1991 (35702xx). Erik Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 18 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/288041-35mm-14-summilux-pre-asph/?do=findComment&comment=4466670'>More sharing options...
grahamc Posted July 7, 2022 Share #998 Posted July 7, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, egrossman said: I took the Pre-ASPH out today for the first time and am surprised at how (relatively) sharp my copy of this lens is wide open. This photo was taken wide open on an M10M (orange filter). The glow also seems quite controlled. Based on other samples on this thread, I expected soft, glowy images wide open. This is a German-made lens from 1991 (35702xx). Erik Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Great to hear Erik. Yes my 35:1.4 v2 is sharper than my Summicron 35s for example the v4. I was surprised by that too. Great shot Edited July 7, 2022 by grahamc 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
egrossman Posted July 7, 2022 Share #999 Posted July 7, 2022 I will need to do some experimenting to better understand the differences of the 3 35mm lenses I have. I also own the 35mm Summilux pre-FLE and 35mm Summicron v4. It should be fun. Erik 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted July 7, 2022 Share #1000 Posted July 7, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, egrossman said: I will need to do some experimenting to better understand the differences of the 3 35mm lenses I have. I also own the 35mm Summilux pre-FLE and 35mm Summicron v4... Funny you should say that, Erik. After I acquired my LLL 35mm f2 '8-Element' (reverse-engineered 1958-style Summicron) lens I went out snapping with that lens on one body and the Summilux on the other and I was amazed to see how similar the lenses rendered from f4 down. Not long afterwards I read that many years earlier Erwin Puts had written pretty much exactly the same thing so it transpired that I was merely experiencing first-hand what was already a well-known aspect of these two designs. I'd also like to go back to something Graham wrote in the post preceeding yours; "...my 35:1.4 v2 is sharper than my Summicron 35s for example the v4..." In a comparison test undertaken of all versions of the 35 Summicron lenses from the 1958 v1 '8 Element' to the current ASPH Ken Rockwell (FWIW) has written; "...(the 8 Element is) the sharpest in the corners wide-open, except for the ASPH, and the sharpest in the center. At most apertures, it's actually the sharpest lens here! It has slightly less contrast on digital at f/2, but on film it looks spectacular at every aperture..." My take on all the above - and all that I've read from reliable sources - is that these c. 1960-'95 Summilux lenses have always been known to be very sharp indeed. The early ones varied quite a bit in the 'glow' stakes when used at or near max. aperture but from f4 down they are quite simply superbly capable lenses. And, from time to time, I'm quite partial to a bit of f1.4 Mad Glow... Another thing to take from Mr. Rockwell's observation is that the 8-element Summicron might actually deserve its lofty reputation - at least in part. Philip. Edited July 7, 2022 by pippy 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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