Leica 109 descendant

[Ari Kfir]

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A couple years ago, as the result of a spectacular personal fall in a venetian canal, my beloved Leica 109 was lost. Got CL, like it very much but still need a pocketable companion. Anybody knows about E. Leitz plans for the 109 descendant?

 

Thanks!

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[Le Chef]

Photokina starts on September 25th and this is when any new model from Leica could be announced. There are rumors about the successor to the 109 but nothing definitive.

[lct]

There are rumors about a successor to the Panasonic LX100 (link) but i'm not aware of such rumors about the D-Lux 109 so far. I may be wrong though and Leica clones have always followed new Panasonic bodies since LC-5 and Digilux 1 in 2002 anyway so all hope is not lost for the next Photokina in September 2018 IMHO. 

https://photorumors.com/2018/04/04/dpreview-successor-to-the-lx100-is-probably-on-the-way-panasonic-lx200/

[lct]

According to the latest rumors, a successor to the LX100 could be announced on August 23rd with the same lens as the current one. The Leica version could then be announced at the next Photokina in September.

https://www.nokishita-camera.com/2018/08/dc-lx100m2.html
https://photorumors.com/2018/08/17/this-is-the-upcoming-panasonic-lx100ii-lx100m2-camera-announcement-august-23rd/
http://macfilos.com/photo/2018/8/17/panasonic-lx100-mk-ii-due-to-be-announced-on-august-23

 

[prk60091]

If my memory serves me it may be announced at p'kina but it won’t be released until much later. All panaleica clones get released 3-6months after the Panasonic version.

[lct]

LX100-II - First impressions review:

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonic-dc-lx100-ii

Same lens, same EVF, no AA filter

[Kyros Moutsouris]

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Nearly 10 years ago I bought the LX-3. I really liked the 24mm, f/2 lens and the compact form factor. Ergonomics where terrible. I am impressed that 10 years later they are still the same. I hope that if there is any Leica version they will throw also some ergonomics improvement and not only a red dot and a price hike of 20%.

[lct]

[...] no AA filter

 

So more acutance expectedly but also 30% more resolution given the larger sensor.

4:3: 4736 x 3552 (16.8 MB) vs 4112 x 3088 (12.7 MB)

3:2: 4928 x 3288 (16.2 MB) vs 4272 x 2856 (12.2 MB)

1:1: 3552 x 3552 (12.6 MB) vs 3088 x 3088 (9.5 MB)

https://www.panasonic.com/uk/consumer/cameras-camcorders/lumix-digital-cameras/premium-compact-cameras/dc-lx100m2.specs.html

[mikemgb]

 

So more acutance expectedly but also 30% more resolution given the larger sensor.

4:3: 4736 x 3552 (16.8 MB) vs 4112 x 3088 (12.7 MB)

3:2: 4928 x 3288 (16.2 MB) vs 4272 x 2856 (12.2 MB)

1:1: 3552 x 3552 (12.6 MB) vs 3088 x 3088 (9.5 MB)

https://www.panasonic.com/uk/consumer/cameras-camcorders/lumix-digital-cameras/premium-compact-cameras/dc-lx100m2.specs.html

 

 

The sensor is the same size, just greater resolution.

 

Not really an earth-shattering upgrade, the added features are nice but not enough to make me upgrade when the D-Lux 110 (or something) is released.

[lct]

Yes same sensor size and more pixels thank you. I'm not interested in resolution per se but the lack of AA filter might make me upgrade eventually. 

[rivi1969]

The imminent release of the D-Lux 109 "mark ii" it's going to be a good time to get one of the remaining original D-Lux 109 at a nice price. The upgrades are marginal at best and I bet the price will be around 50% more. If instead of the red logo they would add weather sealing or some real benefits over the Lumix, that would be interesting.

Edited August 29, 2018 by rivi1969

[lct]

I don't expect any significant difference between Pana and Leica clones but i was more seduced by the Digilux 1 than by the LC-5 15 years ago so perhaps the next D-Lux will please me more than the current one all hope is not lost...

[Le Chef]

The new camera isn’t a big enough improvement to trade up. It does beg the question, if you want more depth to your images, whether to look at a CL with 18-56 lens or go full frame and get a Q with its fixed 28mm lens? The price gap is pretty significant, but there’s no inbetween camera from Leica that would be an obvious upgrade. A new X Vario would be an interesting option but would likely cannibalize sales from the CL and Q. Until then I’m sticking with my DL-109.