Widening the scope of Leica Challenge Berlin 2007: "Innovation inspired by Leica"

[aXs]

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...I've followed this thread with interest... I think you have an interesting idea... I originated the Leica Forum 'Challenge'...years ago... [also] the 'Barnack Challenge'... as I have said already, I like your ideas... and would encourage you to take them further...

 

bill,

compliments for your initiative and of course I respect your authorship of the "Leica Challenge" concept - but it is now the time to grow with the Zeitgeist.

 

"Challenge" events supported by the LUG have other dimensions since the newly structured (and legally changed) http://www.l-camera-forum.com - (see URL legal notice/imprint).

 

Another point: Even if only 20-30 people show up in Berlin, I strongly suggest changing the event's meeting place (named in Andy Barton's post) and instead meet in the Wintergarten (Fasanenstrasse across the street from Leica Berlin). I also suggest that you personally invite Bodo Phillipp, the director of Leica Berlin be involved in this event - he gets involved with all the events of the Leica Academy in Berlin (see "events" on www. leica-camera-berlin.com ).

 

Note there is a private meeting hall in the Wintergarten (Carsten - carstenw - has posted pictures from it) - I understand there are AV facilities for literary events so I assume you can project images on the wall. The building is a villa with a large garden next to the historical Villa Grieseback - Germany's formost specialist in vintage and contemporary photography. It could be arranged for a private guided-tour - or at least a "private viewing" - for example of vintage Henri Carter-Bresson works.

 

I like stnami (Imants) idea for at least one photographer to be a "virtual participant" - directing a remote digi-webcam from Australia to Berlin.

 

Why not? It is a creative idea too - but moreso, it also demonstratesmy concept for widening the scope of the "Challenge" for the parallel event "Innovation inspired by Leica"...

 

Axel

 

Axel Sanders

 

Axel Sanders

[stunsworth]

Therefore to correct you : a Leica Forum (ie l-camera-forum.com) provided and assisted "Challenge"-event has in fact become an "official Leica event".

 

An updated PDF-file should name the organiser of the event(s) "Challenge One" (Barnack II, LFI, LUG or whatever) as "Leica Camera Forum / Juergensen.net - Andrea Juergensen, Bonn, Germany" (with contact details)

 

I'm sorry Axel, but that is nonsense. Using your logic every meeting organised by posting a message to the meetings forum would somehow become an official Leica meeting being somehow organised by Andreas, even if it was three people meeting up for a drink, this is clearly not the case.

 

Since the original thread(s) have become rather unwieldy with information spread through them, Andy will be posting a new message with the rules and meeting place at the weekend

 

Let me repeat again, the whole idea of the challenge was to provide an opportunity for forum members to meet with each other, have a drink and take some photographs, and I think it's fair to say that everyone who has attended any of the previous three meetings has had a great time and enjoyed the event immensely.

 

If you want it to be something different - and perhaps it's significant that no one has supported your idea of it becoming a 'convention' type of event - that's fine, but I think at this stage it would possibly be better if you organised your own event and invited forum members to attend.

[bill]

 

Therefore to correct you : a Leica Forum (ie l-camera-forum.com) provided and assisted "Challenge"-event has in fact become an "official Leica event".

 

An updated PDF-file should name the organiser of the event(s) "Challenge One" (Barnack II, LFI, LUG or whatever) as "Leica Camera Forum / Juergensen.net - Andrea Juergensen, Bonn, Germany" (with contact details).

 

Axel,

 

You are building a set of assumptions that are just plain wrong.

 

The One Challenge, The Barnack Challenge, or any other event or get-together, large or small, organised by the members of this forum is UNOFFICIAL.

 

Andreas, because he is a good bloke, provides us with support and assistance. Leica, because they recognise positive publicity when they see it, have in the past provided a modicum of publicity and small awards for the participants and the winner.

 

None of this constitutes "ownership", "organisation" or "sponsorship".

 

Tell you what.

 

Since you are so hot on this idea, why not contact all the attendees of this year's Challenge. Go ahead and book the Wintergarten; better go and scout it out first - is it big enough? What does it cost? What facilities do they have? Is it available? Organise the speakers. Organise the display materials, brochures, flyers, adversing, perhaps a bellyband around LFI? Organise the publicity for the event. Organise the catering. Contact all your nominees. Organise the awards. Make it all happen. You have three months.

 

...or.

 

You could take what I continue to believe is the germ of a good idea and do something vaguely sensible with it.

 

Oh, and one last thing - please note that it's the "One Challenge" - not the "Leica Challenge" - I wouldn't want to be party to unauthorised use of the company name for an unofficial event.

 

I'm done here.

 

Regards,

 

Bill

[spylaw4]

Axel, IMHO you seem to be getting a bit pedantic about this subject. The Challenge as has been made plain is primarily a social event organised and run by a hard-working member of this forum.

 

Frankly if the "One Challenge" became anything other than its current manifestation I think quite a lot of us (myself included) would not be interested.

 

Leave well alone!

[Guest stnami]

I like stnami (Imants) idea for at least one photographer to be a "virtual participant" - directing a remote digi-webcam from Australia to Berlin

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[andybarton]

As Steve said, I will reformulate the post regarding the One Challenge in Berlin at the weekend.

 

However, I can confirm here and now, that we will not be doing anything above and beyond what was outlined in the pdf I posted a couple of months back.

 

If anyone else wants to organise a meeting with a wider remit, they are welcome to, but the whole point about the One Challenge was that it was simple. Simple rules, single purpose, single film.

 

Since this is ostensibly "my baby" this year, I will not allow the One Challenge to be hijacked into something else.

[Guest stnami]

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So the postman can't even knock once,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[andybarton]

So the postman can't even knock once,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

Not quite sure what you are getting at here, Imants.

 

There is no reason why Axel shouldn't organise a convention for Leica users himself. He can do it for the same weekend in October if he wishes.

 

But, it isn't what the "One Challenge" is about.

 

K.I.S.S.

[Guest stnami]

Just wanted to know if it was within the rules to get someone to take the photos for you, while one kicks back their heels on a nice secluded beach on a warm winters day on Oz?

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I don't know what Axel is rabbiting on about..........

[erl]

Well Imants, I can state for sure, that IF I can raise the 'moola' to attend this year, I will, on your behalf, use the camera and lens + film of your choice and shoot for you, as well as my own rig. Limitations will be my available gear but I do have a bit. I would call you by mobile each time I see an image to get approval. On return to Oz I could mail the film to you to finish processing.

 

I am confident that the other participants will be amused enough by this that there will be no objection, particularly as this is not a serious competition, but a fun event.

 

If it were to ever change significantly, I would not be intested.

 

However, travel this year is looking dim for me, but I have not given up. I will endeavour to incude a stopover in Berlin from wherever I travel, if at all.

[aXs]

...There is no reason why Axel shouldn't organise a 'convention' [= meeting event] for Leica... himself. He can do it for the same weekend [October 13, 2007 in Berlin] if he wishes...

 

thank you Moderator!

Now I need members' opinions about their interest in such a parallel 'meeting event' in Berlin and background information before going further.

 

For example some feedback from:

a) Carsten and Holgar - since they are based in Berlin (carstenw and hfehsenfeld)

 

and Carsten has already posted pictures taken at the Wintergarten on Berlin's Fasenstrasse - maybe he could post more pictures so we can see more of the building and garden?

 

Bodo Philipp (director of LeicaBerlin) obviously should be invited to participate.

 

c) Andreas Juergensen (admin) - because any 'meeting event' for members of the 'Leica Camera Forum' http://www.l-camera-forum.com requires Andreas' approval and his support.

 

Axel

 

Axel Sanders

[andybarton]

I am sorry, but I will not be able to attend your event, Axel, as I am busy that weekend.

 

It goes without saying that Andreas offers his support for members' meetings, but clearly his permission or approval is not needed.

 

Good luck with trying to organise your event - I hope you have plenty of time and influence!

 

However, please do not formally link your event with the One Challenge, as they have completely different purposes. Thanks.

[stunsworth]

c) Andreas Juergensen (admin) - because any 'meeting event' for members of the 'Leica Camera Forum' www.l-camera-forum.com requires Andreas' approval and his support

 

Just curious, what makes you think this is the case? The use of the word 'any' seems to imply that people posting messages in the meetings forum need to get approval from Andreas before doing so. As far as I'm aware this isn't the case. In fact it also seems to imply that any meeting between members needs Andreas' permission even if it's arranged outside of the forum.

 

Anyhow, enough of the pedantry, when you're organising your meeting post a message in the meetings forum, that way people will be able to indicate if they're able to attend. It will probably help if you post an outline of your proposed events at the same time. One thing is for sure, it's always a great pleasure meeting up with forum members, so if the events don't clash, and you're able to do so, please feel free to attend the 'challenge' in Berlin in October.

[aXs]

...it goes without saying that Andreas [Juergensen] offers his support for members' meetings, but clearly his permission or approval is not needed...

 

Moderator, thank you for informing me that Administrator offers his support for another members' meeting in Berlin! - but, as you know, my theme is "Innovations Inspired by Leica" and that theme is digital-related.

 

This is the "digital forum" and the thread is in the correct place along with discussions of digital cameras and digital-related themes.

 

Regarding "a meeting" in Wintergarten/Fasenstrasse Berlin - as I said, I first need to get feedback from Carsten and Holger in Berlin - and Bodo Philipp from Leica Berlin.

 

I look forward to reading what Andreas (Juergensen) has to say about my ideas.

 

I especially like the idea of a project linking remote webcams and wall projections - maybe an online "meeting" is the way to go. And "Leica-branded" lenses as used for a lot of profi-broadcast equipment and video cameras (again "digital forum"-related).

 

Axel

 

Axel Sanders

[andybarton]

I look forward to seeing what you can do with your revised idea.

 

Good luck!

[earleygallery]

Axel - you are making things far too complicated IMO.

 

Firstly there is nothing to stop anyone from posting a suggestion (on the meetings forum) and getting people together, I arranged a gathering a while back in London, just meeting up at a pub and enjoying a drink/lunch and chat. I don't see why that needs any sort of 'formal' approval - can you piont me to where it actually says that?

 

The One Challenge isn't a full days shooting either - we meet up for lunch, go off shooting for a couple of hours and then meet up again for a post shoot drink. Last year the organiser arranged a dinner party for those people who were staying over which expanded the meet beyond what it had been previously. The best thing about it is that its informal, relaxed and fun.

 

The One Challenge should remain the One Challenge. But please go ahead and arrange your event as well (obviously a different date) as there's room for plenty of other ideas/events during the year, I would like to see more. I look forward to seeing how you develop it further.