Luis Manso Posted July 10, 2007 Share #1 Posted July 10, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have a nikon d80, and some nikon lenses. I´m happy with my stuff, but i have seen the leica digilux 3 and...i´m thinking about selling the d80 to buy it. Its a good idea, or i´m overrating the digilux 3? What problems may i have with this camera? Is the leica D vario-elmarit 14-50mm f/2.8-3.5 ASPH a good lense? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 10, 2007 Posted July 10, 2007 Hi Luis Manso, Take a look here Digilux 3 or nikon d80?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
ruiespanhol Posted July 10, 2007 Share #2 Posted July 10, 2007 Hi Luis, I don´t hown one D3,but what I have read about that is good camera whit good lenses. The viewfinder is some dark not compares to my R8,but it was possible to use R lenses on it. For that pourpouse you nead one bayonet R adapter for that camera. Whit the 14-50 this camera gives very good picture quality,but even better whit R lenses. So I hope my answer help you to choose the best camera for you. Best, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJLogan Posted July 10, 2007 Share #3 Posted July 10, 2007 I prefer both the experience (design, control layout, etc.) and the results (the images) I get from my Digilux 3 to those from a friend's Nikon D80. The Digilux 3 kit lens runs rings around the D80's. The recently-released 25mm f/1,4 prime is even better, I suspect that the D80 would give better high-ISO performance, though, due to its larger sensor. I'm not sure I'd go so far as to sell my existing equipment to convert, but I do recommend the Digilux 3 highly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis Manso Posted July 10, 2007 Author Share #4 Posted July 10, 2007 Thanks!! I think the leica world it´s amazing...maybe digital canon or nikon have a great image quality, but leica have a special feeling on its images. I have two silly questions about the leica D vario-elmarit 14-50 mm f/2.8-3.5 ASPH : -The 14-50 can be used in Af and MF at the same time?I mean, you can correct the focus manually, after the autofocus has operated, without changing any camera configuration, or without pressing any button? -What is the diameter of this lens? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted July 10, 2007 Share #5 Posted July 10, 2007 Yes you can use AF/MF. You first autofucus and can then fine tune with manual focus. It does require either a button push on the back of the camera or the camera can be set in the menus to accomodate AF/MF. The filter size on the 14-50 is 72mm if that gives you a reference point for diameter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum911 Posted July 10, 2007 Share #6 Posted July 10, 2007 I had a Nikon D80 equipment too, and i have sell it to buy a Leica Digilux 3. I am very happy that i´ve done it. The lens is very good. I´ve never seen such good results with the D80 equipment. The colors looks more naturally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis Manso Posted July 10, 2007 Author Share #7 Posted July 10, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Perfect, the AF/MF mode it´s very handy. Thank you very much for your opinions, they are helping me a lot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S. Wong Posted July 10, 2007 Share #8 Posted July 10, 2007 Having used a D80 a lot (Dad's w/ 24-120 VR), and played with the Panasonic L1 w/ kit lens (28-100 effective focal length), I would have to say the cons outweigh the pros on the Digilux 3 (Leicasonic creation. D3 == L1). I really, really wanted to like it. The tactile movement of shutter speed & aperture, the 2-stage bounce flash, the large number of 4/3 lenses from olympus, and the OIS. Several things: The two lenses (N & L) are very similar in all dimensions. The L1 is heavy, but well balanced w/ the big lens. The texturing on the L1 is nice, I liked it. The D80 is not as ergonomic as the L1, but it is thinner in general. Holding the L1 for a while would get tiresome. The prices are very similar. The viewfinders.... are not. D80: bigger, bright, useful (lens is slower). L1: Dark, dismal (lens is faster). The format: D80: 2:3, standard film. L1: 3:4, standard TV MPX: D80: 10, lower noise, L1: 7.5, noisy AF: D80: well refined, fast, 11 AF points, L1: slower, 3 af points MF: D80: smooth, using a transmission for gearing. Leica D: no gear, must have power to focus lens In short, Leicasonic has a $300 body w/ a $900 lens (or so) D80: $800 body w/ $500 lens (the D80 set was slightly more than the L1 kit) The choice is yours, but I highly recommend trying them out yourself before dumping the Nikon gear. Should you go for the Leicasonic, and dump the Nikon, PM me if you are thinking of selling. Dad's B-day is coming up -Steven Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted July 11, 2007 Share #9 Posted July 11, 2007 May I gently take issue with a couple of the points that Steven makes? I don't find the view finder on the L1 dark - even when using legacy lenses at f5.6 even indoors in any reasonable light. Noise only really becomes a (slight) problem at 800 ISO. You can speed up the autofocus by selecting to use a central point only, but I will admit that more than 3 focus points would be sometimes useful. Fine tuning the in-camera settings on the D3/L1 produces fab images. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis Manso Posted July 11, 2007 Author Share #10 Posted July 11, 2007 Thanks. I would try digilux 3 and L1 before selling my d80. S. Wong your comparation it´s very clear, and very useful, but I suppose that digilux 3 at iso 100 have no noise,it have? Noise at higher iso its no problem for me. I used to focus manually, or combining the AF and the MF, so I think i don´t need so many focus points. I have another question, I have read that the D3 have three formats: 4/3 (with more resolution) 3/2 (the standar film) and 16/9. When you use 3/2 or 16/9, you see through the finder with these formats, or there are some marks or something? I know that i will use 3/2 format in many landscapes, I will have any problems doing this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted July 11, 2007 Share #11 Posted July 11, 2007 Assuming the D3 is the same as the L1 - the alternative ratios (3:2, 16:9) are available in Live View only. ISO 100 is almost no noise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugby Posted July 11, 2007 Share #12 Posted July 11, 2007 Can some please explain the value of Multiple AF points to me..... I just don't see understand benefit..... after 35years of photography, of which my 1st 20 was with manual focus rangefinders and SLRs and the last 15years with various single point AF SLRs... Currently on my D2 and L1, I spot focus and 'hold' my focal point during reframing, I really don't like the focus averaging that the multi-AF points calculate.....what am I mis-understanding about it ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted July 11, 2007 Share #13 Posted July 11, 2007 Can some please explain the value of Multiple AF points to me..... I just don't see understand benefit..... after 35years of photography, of which my 1st 20 was with manual focus rangefinders and SLRs and the last 15years with various single point AF SLRs... Currently on my D2 and L1, I spot focus and 'hold' my focal point during reframing, I really don't like the focus averaging that the multi-AF points calculate.....what am I mis-understanding about it ? Near as I can figure if there are multiple AF points it helps balance a shot in AF mode where it reads the picture over a greater range that 3 points. I use single center point but this past week I have tried the "Select" AF point setting and it is a real hoot. Once you get used to it it is kind of nice not having to recompose. I say this for some situations but I still prefer center point single AF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis Manso Posted July 11, 2007 Author Share #14 Posted July 11, 2007 Oh...i think that if you can´t see through the finder the 3/2 format I will have a problem...hummm. I only need a line or something, but i need it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rivi1969 Posted July 11, 2007 Share #15 Posted July 11, 2007 Hello, I do have the D80, and used to have the D2 which I sold in order to get an L1. Both are very good cameras and I use each one for different reasons. the D80 is faster, more intuitive, more responsive. The L1 is the closest I can get from the M8 without breaking the bank: metallic body, analogue controls... the output from both are great, the D80 at high-iso delivers a little cleaner images but the Leica glass delivers superb images free of any kind of chromatic aberrations which the Nikon glass don't even the primes. I just bought a 35mm R Summicron but I don't have it yet so I cannot comment on that, but the kit lens is a jewel. Regards and good luck with your decision! Ricardo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugby Posted July 12, 2007 Share #16 Posted July 12, 2007 Near as I can figure if there are multiple AF points it helps balance a shot in AF mode where it reads the picture over a greater range that 3 points. I use single center point but this past week I have tried the "Select" AF point setting and it is a real hoot. Once you get used to it it is kind of nice not having to recompose. I say this for some situations but I still prefer center point single AF. Thankyou for your response. I believe I would rather maintain the decision of what I the 'plane of focus' will be rather than allow a computational average of the three "set" zones (for the D3 L1). Granted one can toggle between the three zones, but they are "fixed" positions within the frame, so by the time one stuffs around deciding if any of the three is desirable and then manually selected, .....the moment has passed. My old Olympus OM4 used to have user selectable 7 spot-metering, where one would point the center of the viewfinder to a spot and press a 'memory/aggregation' button. When the user had finished chosing the spots, the camera had already determined the average setting. Now if the D3 L1 allowed user selectable multi spot focusing..... then we could have something useful here. 3-zones AF mode is worse, whilst the camera's logic tries go through its algorhythm and then averages a focal plane which more often than not, is usually not the same as what I would have chosen. No I'll stick to Center-only and then re-frame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlitos Posted July 12, 2007 Share #17 Posted July 12, 2007 No I'll stick to Center-only and then re-frame. That's exactly the way I work, with no issues. Always used to do it with MF so its not exactly a hardship:) Karlitos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie135 Posted July 12, 2007 Share #18 Posted July 12, 2007 This seems to be a very common dilemma. I have a three year old D2,.About four months ago I bought a D200 and a rake of lenses, mostly primes as I prefer them re size and quality. I now find that I love playing around with the Nikon around the house......but it's the D2 that I take out, the Nikon is just too much like hard work The D2 whilst not perfect is a delightful companion. I expect I would do the same if I had a D3. So, the D3 for photography and the Nikon for messing around the house with. The results? The D2 is just as good as the Nikon is when fitted with a good prime and with both at 100ISO. for A4 prints, above that in terms of speed and print size then it's the Nikon. Also the Nikon is more efficient at knocking fence posts in. Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zapp Posted July 12, 2007 Share #19 Posted July 12, 2007 I have a nikon d80, and some nikon lenses. I´m happy with my stuff, So, what exactly is your question. You have a camera, you are happy... Are you looking for a smaller camera, better image quality, ..., or an inexpensive Leica? The Nikon is a lot more versatile right now. Look through a D3 and check it out for differences. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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