Magnification

[Teun]

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Guys, just a small question.

Is it true that the .73 magnification option only works with the LV

and not with the regular viewfinder?

 

Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

[01af]

Is it true that the .73 magnification option only works with the live-view and not with the regular viewfinder?

It's not an option.

 

And no.

[UliWer]

The optical viewfinder has a certain "magnification" - the specs for the M10 say it is 0.73. This is the same for whatever lens you use.

 

The electronic viewfinder shows what the sensor gets from the lens. Since lenses with different focal lengthes have a different "magnification" the electronic viewfinder cannot have a certain magnification, but it depends on the lens when you look at the full frame. By zooming into a part of the full frame view it can be considerably magnified.  

Edited July 10, 2018 by UliWer

[Teun]

Yes I did understand that it works with the optional EVF, but hoped that it could be enabled with the viewfinder on the camera as well ;-)

Thanks for your help anyway

[Teun]

It's not an option.

 

And no.

[Teun]

Cheers!

[jaapv]

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But, to complicate matters, there are optional magnifiers to change the optical viewfinder magnification.

[UliWer]

Yes I did understand that it works with the optional EVF, but hoped that it could be enabled with the viewfinder on the camera as well ;-)

 

I am not sure whether understand what you mean: What works with the EVF? A 0.73 "magnification will - usually - not work with the EVF. Perhaps accidentially when you zoom in, but normally not, because you will not achieve a 0.73 magnification with your lens. 

[Teun]

Maybe I am misstaken!

The thing is that in the Leica YouTube clip “Leica M10 in Zanzibar” they state that the M10 comes with a New Optical viewfinder, 30% larger field of view and a 0.73x magnification.

However, I am told that the 0.73x only works when using Liveview!

[01af]

However, I am told that the 0.73× only works when using Liveview!

 

That's nonsense.

 

[Teun]

Can you inform me how to use it with the camera’s viewfinder? How can I enable it?

This would really help me a lot, so your input is much appreciated

[jdlaing]

That's nonsense.

 

I’m glad you so eloquently cleared that up.

[jaapv]

I wouldn't know how to put it differently, though.

[jdlaing]

I wouldn't know how to put it differently, though.

But you’d probably be diplomatic about it.

[jaapv]

I think the confusion arises from a misconception about the two viewfinder systems.

 

First there is an optical viewfinder, a telescope system that cannot be changed from its 0.73 magnification (of the real world in front of you).

 

Secondly there is the electronic viewfinder system, which projects the view of the sensor onto a screen, either the back -live view- LCD or the EVF. You can zoom into that electronically, obviously, up to 10x. That is also called magnification from time to time.

 

The two systems have nothing to do with one another.

[jaapv]

But you’d probably be diplomatic about it.

I could have mimicked a real diplomat and called it a polished turd, I suppose...

[UliWer]

Can you inform me how to use it with the camera’s viewfinder? How can I enable it?

This would really help me a lot, so your input is much appreciated

You don‘t have to enable anything. You just take the camera to your eye and look through the optical viewfinder. What you see has a 0.73 „magnification“.

 

I think the misunderstanding comes from the strange term „magnification“. People think there is a normal view and a magnified view. In reality there is only one view through the M 10 standard viewfinder, where the normal view of your eyes (which might be called a „magification of 1“) is reduced, diminished to a view of 0.73. The viewfinder‘s „magnification“ is a diminution. The picture of your view through the optical viewfinder is 0.73 smaller than your natural view.

 

With former digital M models the „magnification“ was smaller: 0.68, so the diminution of the viewfinder was larger.

[adan]

Teun - when you look through the optical (glass, window) viewfinder of a Leica M10, it shows you the world reduced in size by 27%, or 0.73x life-sized. This is built into the glass of the viewfinder, so it does not change except by adding on optional eyepieces at the back. Nothing to "enable" or "disable" (except with a hammer ).

 

In other words, if you look through the glass viewfinder window with your right eye, and keep your left eye open looking past the camera - you will see the real world "life-sized" with your left eye, and reduced in size 27% (0.73x of life-sized) through the camera viewfinder with your right eye.

 

Since previous Leica digitals reduced the scene 32% to fit in the viewfinder (0.68x life-size), the M10 finder magnficaition is larger than in the past, but still less than life-sized.

 

This is strictly about the optical window viewfinder - it has nothing at all to do with either the EVF or Live-View or any other way of viewing. If that is what the Zanzibar video said - it does not know what it was talking about. Verwechselt/trompé/sbagliato.

 

Your original question is exactly backwards - the .73 magnification ONLY works with the regular viewfinder, and NOT with the LV or EVF.

 

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Edited July 10, 2018 by adan

[Teun]

Thanks very much Adan (and all the otters) for your clear explanation which shows my absolute lack of technical knowledge.

I actually learned a lot and totally understand that my quest has ended

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[Teun]

You don‘t have to enable anything. You just take the camera to your eye and look through the optical viewfinder. What you see has a 0.73 „magnification“.

 

I think the misunderstanding comes from the strange term „magnification“. People think there is a normal view and a magnified view. In reality there is only one view through the M 10 standard viewfinder, where the normal view of your eyes (which might be called a „magification of 1“) is reduced, diminished to a view of 0.73. The viewfinder‘s „magnification“ is a diminution. The picture of your view through the optical viewfinder is 0.73 smaller than your natural view.

 

With former digital M models the „magnification“ was smaller: 0.68, so the diminution of the viewfinder was larger.