Jdphoto Posted March 29, 2018 Share #1 Posted March 29, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) Probably a dumb question as DNG files are supported by most converters. I've been using LR 6.7 Camera RAW 9.7, but curious if there's lens profiles for the CL. Is anyone using Ardent? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jared Posted March 29, 2018 Share #2 Posted March 29, 2018 I'm using 7.2/10.2 for Lightroom and Camera Raw respectively. The Leica CL embeds a lens profile into the DNG's that is automatically applied in Lightroom whether you like it or not. Adobe, in its infinite wisdom, has allowed camera/lens manufacturers to determine that the profile correction on some cameras is integral to the design, and so photographers should not have the option of disabling it. It allows some additional degrees of freedom to the camera manufacturer as they can, for example, design a lens that has more vignetting or more distortion than would otherwise be acceptable, knowing that both the raw files and the JPG's will be automatically corrected as though the lens had never had these "defects" in the first place. But I digress. The point is, at least in my version of Lightroom Classic the lens profile exists for all TL lenses and is applied automatically. In addition, profiles are available manually in case you happen to be shooting an M or R lens. I would expect your version of LR to behave the same way with respect to the embedded profile. It's embedded in the DNG, so it's not something that requires a Lightroom "look up" from an external file. However, I don't know whether older versions of Lightroom would allow different camera calibration versions. You will have the "Embedded" option, certainly, but you may need a newer version of Lightroom in order to use "Adobe Standard" with the CL. Generally speaking, I prefer the "Adobe Standard" with the CL vs. the embedded profile, but your taste may be different. Adobe often warms things up a touch with their camera profiles compared to Leica's embedded values. As far as other raw converters... At this point, given the amount of organizational data that I have invested in Lightroom (catalogs, collections, ratings, keywords, processing) there is not a chance in heck of my switching to another product without a profound difference in results, so I can't tell you whether some other converter might do a slightly better or worse job under certain circumstances. Too much time already spent learning the tool and building up my database. I won't even try anything else. Heck, I almost avoided buying a Hasselblad recently based on the rumor that you had to use their Phocus software to get good colors. Turns out it wasn't true--Lightroom works just fine with the embedded profiles. The major reason I don't like Fujifilm cameras is that you almost need Silkypix to get good results (though there are rumors Lightroom now does a nice job with demosaicing the Fuji files. For me, it's all about Lightroom. Not because it is necessarily better, but because I have too much invested in it to change mid stream. If I had bought into Capture One years ago I'd probably feel differently. In any event, Lightroom does fine with the CL. Lens profiles should be applied automatically. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted March 29, 2018 Share #3 Posted March 29, 2018 I bought into Capture One years ago (somewhere around release 3 or 4 and it's now in the 11's.). At one point I received 5 free upgrades for some debugging help, but now I pay every year or two. Their generic DNG profile uses the manufacturer's recommendation that is stored in the DNG, and in time, they usually release model specific profiles. You can use whichever you like better. I haven't invested much in their data management facilities, but they have them, too. And they do a great job on Fuji images, which I use occasionally. I'll have to look for a CL profile, but if it isn't in the current release there should be one shortly. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
weinbergfoto Posted March 30, 2018 Share #4 Posted March 30, 2018 You cannot use DXO PhotoLab at this time. And this really aggravates me. The program does not recognize the CL's DNG files. It's fine with my old T's DNG's. I contacted DXO, and they blew me off. Before the CL, I used DXO PL in my workflow. I found that it did an excellent job, particularly for denoising, using the "PRIME" function. Now, I just use LR Classic and can't export the files to DXO PL unless they are TIFF's, which disables PRIME. If I knew that DXO would treat its customers so badly, I would've never bought the program. DO YOU HEAR ME, DXO! GRRRRRRRRR! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erudolph Posted March 30, 2018 Share #5 Posted March 30, 2018 <If I knew that DXO would treat its customers so badly, I would've never bought the program.> Is this not the way that some other vendors prioritize their support for a relatively small portion of their user-base, i.e., Leica users? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 30, 2018 Share #6 Posted March 30, 2018 I’ve stuck with ACR for over 15 years now and it does not disappoint on the CL. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elopezso Posted March 30, 2018 Share #7 Posted March 30, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) Jaap, Adobe Standard or Embedded? I ask as I prefer the embedded with landscape photography and Adobe Standard whenever people are involved as the embedded makes them look a tad strange to me. I feel at times that a combo of what is best in each profile would be a spectacular profile. Best, Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VVJ Posted March 30, 2018 Share #8 Posted March 30, 2018 I use Iridient Developer. Just like Leica I like its simplicity and minimalism. I abandoned C1 due to its retarded refusal to support the Leica S. If I have to use another raw converter for the Leica S I might as well use it for all my cameras. AFAIK C1 still does not "officially" support the TL2 and the CL yet either. I hate LR. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
weinbergfoto Posted March 30, 2018 Share #9 Posted March 30, 2018 <If I knew that DXO would treat its customers so badly, I would've never bought the program.> Is this not the way that some other vendors prioritize their support for a relatively small portion of their user-base, i.e., Leica users? Yup. Sucks...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 30, 2018 Share #10 Posted March 30, 2018 Jaap, Adobe Standard or Embedded? I ask as I prefer the embedded with landscape photography and Adobe Standard whenever people are involved as the embedded makes them look a tad strange to me. I feel at times that a combo of what is best in each profile would be a spectacular profile. Best, Ed i made my own dual illuminant profile. It is fairly close to the embedded one, but the greens are not as violent. The adobe one is muddy IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdphoto Posted March 31, 2018 Author Share #11 Posted March 31, 2018 I'm going to give Iridient a go... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted March 31, 2018 Share #12 Posted March 31, 2018 I abandoned C1 due to its retarded refusal to support the Leica S. If I have to use another raw converter for the Leica S I might as well use it for all my cameras. AFAIK C1 still does not "officially" support the TL2 and the CL yet either. I hate LR. I hate LR, too. Don't own an S, do have an older Phase back, so I've always used C1. They accepted M10 and CL/TL2 files as soon as they were available, using Leica's embedded parameters. M10 has been "officially supported," meaning with choice between generic DNG or a tweaked C1 profile, for some time now. Supporting the SL took a while because of some argument between Phase and Leica, but you could always develop the files. I understand that CL/TL2 profiles are coming soon, but I have been processing them with C1 all along. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted March 31, 2018 Share #13 Posted March 31, 2018 C1 does a fine job and, in fact, let's the Leica version embedded in the DNG code come through rather than be overwritten by the Adobe interpretation. At some point I imagine they will have an upgrade with the CL. Using it without for now and it is fine. Interesting but with the Q when you shifted to cropping tool in C1 there was extra room around the pic, really a 25 vs 28mm picture. Someone from Leica explained it to me once, but I forgot, anyway it was fun have the extra margin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 31, 2018 Share #14 Posted March 31, 2018 Luminar and ON1 are fairly sophisticated raw developers. I have used both sporadically as LR substitute on my MacBook Air which struggles with full PS, and I must say they do a fine job. I have deleted LR as a result. Both accept CL files. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pebbles Posted April 9, 2018 Share #15 Posted April 9, 2018 I use Iridient Developer. Just like Leica I like its simplicity and minimalism. I abandoned C1 due to its retarded refusal to support the Leica S. If I have to use another raw converter for the Leica S I might as well use it for all my cameras. AFAIK C1 still does not "officially" support the TL2 and the CL yet either. I hate LR. i thought Iridient would not convert Leica CL files ,only Fuji. I have a Windows and would like to use Iridient for my CL files but it appears it is not possible , or am I missing something ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacek.PL Posted April 9, 2018 Share #16 Posted April 9, 2018 IMO Iridient works only on Apple IOS. I am currently testing Luminar 2018.It's pretty cool Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pebbles Posted April 9, 2018 Share #17 Posted April 9, 2018 Does anyone use Iridient for Windows 10. It seems to be only available for Fuji RAF files or has it now been made available for the CL ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 9, 2018 Share #18 Posted April 9, 2018 Since early December... December 8, 2017 The Iridient Developer 3.2.1 update is now available!This Iridient Developer update includes support for the latest RAW camera models, bug fixes and other improvements.New RAW camera support includes:Sony: A7R Mark III (ILCE-7RM3).Panasonic: DC-G9 (pixel shift mode not yet supported).Leica: CL.Apple: iPhone X.Huawei: Mate 10 Pr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pebbles Posted April 9, 2018 Share #19 Posted April 9, 2018 Since early December... Seems to be only for Mac computers. I use Windows 10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pebbles Posted April 10, 2018 Share #20 Posted April 10, 2018 Iridient have now confirmed that their software does not work with Windows Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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