scott kirkpatrick Posted March 22, 2018 Share #41 Posted March 22, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) The dealer on that item is credible, listing many other reasonably priced photo items, but not much Leica stuff. His 98.3% satisfaction rating is lower than I would want to see. But the big problem is that if this lens is shipped into the UK by the dealer, who has to list its sale price, it will incur EU/UK VAT markup of another 19% or whatever it is now, which knocks the savings down considerably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 Hi scott kirkpatrick, Take a look here Go on, flame me, I deserve it: 50SL curious. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Donzo98 Posted March 22, 2018 Share #42 Posted March 22, 2018 I said I would check it out for him... and even ship it if he wants... I could certainly save him the 19%. As to price... It's on the cheap side for sure, but there have been sales less than that. I bought one from Adorama (LNIB) for 3500 (plus 310.00) in tax. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted March 22, 2018 Share #43 Posted March 22, 2018 Greg, I have to say it - hahahaha! But to your question. As you know, I like your portraits (a lot), and 50mm seems to be your sweet spot. In terms of image quality, the gains from moving to the 50-SL may be marginal, but they’re certainly there. The plain of best focus is, fro my perception, flat and sharpness holds to the corners. This is a phenomenal lens. Will you notice the improvement fromt he Summilux-M 50? Can’t say - you can be the only judge of that. The transition from in focus to out of focus is smoother, and the out of focus treatment of the SL-50 nicer to my eye. In terms of size, you can only be the judge of that. It is smaller than the zoom, and balances nicely o the SL, but make no mistake, you have to adjust to the increase in size and weight over the Summilux-M 50. When I want a one lens solutio for my SL, I use the SL-50. It’s a great combination, which I think would suit your photography really well, but it comes at a cost ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geetee1972 Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share #44 Posted March 22, 2018 I said I would check it out for him... and even ship it if he wants... I could certainly save him the 19%. As to price... It's on the cheap side for sure, but there have been sales less than that. I bought one from Adorama (LNIB) for 3500 (plus 310.00) in tax. Hi Don, that's a kind offer and thanks for making it, it's certainly appreciated. I will however pass; I would in all honesty buy a copy from my local dealer even if it is a little more costly it is less stressful and complicated. Greg, I have to say it - hahahaha! Well it's about time some one did But to your question. As you know, I like your portraits (a lot), and 50mm seems to be your sweet spot. Thanks for this also. Yes, 50 is where I like to be for portraits; this lens is making more sense to me. Let's wait and see.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo98 Posted March 22, 2018 Share #45 Posted March 22, 2018 Hi Don, that's a kind offer and thanks for making it, it's certainly appreciated. I will however pass; I would in all honesty buy a copy from my local dealer even if it is a little more costly it is less stressful and complicated. Well it's about time some one did Thanks for this also. Yes, 50 is where I like to be for portraits; this lens is making more sense to me. Let's wait and see.... No problem... I hope you like the lens. I love it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgo2 Posted March 23, 2018 Share #46 Posted March 23, 2018 Greg, one thing that you should think about is the rendering of the SL 50 for portraiture. I raise this point, because the lens contains 4 partial dispersion elements. This serves to reduce aberrations at max aperture, but there are some folks who believe that APO glass also diminishes 3D rendering. I am aware that the SL 50 is optically phenomenal, but it may not produce portraits results that are as pleasing to you as the lens that you are currently using. See if you can test one out before buying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geetee1972 Posted March 23, 2018 Author Share #47 Posted March 23, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) Greg, one thing that you should think about is the rendering of the SL 50 for portraiture. I raise this point, because the lens contains 4 partial dispersion elements. This serves to reduce aberrations at max aperture, but there are some folks who believe that APO glass also diminishes 3D rendering. I am aware that the SL 50 is optically phenomenal, but it may not produce portraits results that are as pleasing to you as the lens that you are currently using. See if you can test one out before buying. This is a good point and is the same I was being so dogmatic about in the past. I have the option to test it from the Leica store here in London but they can only let me have it over a weekend and I am not always in London so am struggling to find a way to make it work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geetee1972 Posted March 23, 2018 Author Share #48 Posted March 23, 2018 I'm collecting a demonstration copy of the lens from Leica in London (City) later today. I will report back after the weekend. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted March 23, 2018 Share #49 Posted March 23, 2018 ...the lens contains 4 partial dispersion elements. This serves to reduce aberrations at max aperture, but there are some folks who believe that APO glass also diminishes 3D rendering. 3D rendering is overrated. https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-9J3jzS/ I am aware that the SL 50 is optically phenomenal,... Optically phenomenal, whatever this means. https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-9J3jzS/ ..., but it may not produce portraits results that are as pleasing to you as the lens that you are currently using. I'm sure it won't. https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-9J3jzS/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgo2 Posted March 23, 2018 Share #50 Posted March 23, 2018 3D rendering is overrated. https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-9J3jzS/ Optically phenomenal, whatever this means. https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-9J3jzS/ I'm sure it won't. https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-9J3jzS/ Honestly, I have no idea what your point is. How does the link that you provided relate to anything that you or I said? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo98 Posted March 23, 2018 Share #51 Posted March 23, 2018 Honestly, I have no idea what your point is. How does the link that you provided relate to anything that you or I said? Me either... Is he making the point that the 50 SL is worth it or not?? LOL No idea what the point was... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geetee1972 Posted March 23, 2018 Author Share #52 Posted March 23, 2018 Chaemono has posted this response before in response to me being less than kind about the 50SL Summilux. I've never understood the point either. That said, I am quite liking the initial results. I collected the lens at 4.45pm and bombed over to London's South Bank where I get the train home from. The South Bank is a cultural arts centre in London (the biggest in Europe - there's currently a Gursky exhibiotion in the Hayward Gallery) and is an easy place to find interesting people. I shot these in spare 30 minutes before my train home and I'm quite encouraged by the results. Valerie by Greg Turner, on Flickr Ella, Valerie, Ruby by Greg Turner, on Flickr South Bank by Greg Turner, on Flickr 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted March 23, 2018 Share #53 Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) Point? I was just confirming what robgo2 was saying. That too much Apo glass diminishes 3D rendering with this lens, that it’s optically phenomenal (that sounds really cool), and that it won’t produce portraits results pleasing to geetee1972. You try to be nice and the forum bullies are all over you. Fine, I’ll just post a link from now on without saying anything. https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-9J3jzS/ Edited March 23, 2018 by Chaemono 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo98 Posted March 24, 2018 Share #54 Posted March 24, 2018 Point? I was just confirming what robgo2 was saying. That too much Apo glass diminishes 3D rendering with this lens, that it’s optically phenomenal (that sounds really cool), and that it won’t produce portraits results pleasing to geetee1972. You try to be nice and the forum bullies are all over you. Fine, I’ll just post a link from now on without saying anything. https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-9J3jzS/ I was certainly not bullying you... and I don't think anyone else was either. I honestly didn't understand what point you were making. I still don't... Do you like the lens or not?? Do you think it's a good portrait lens? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted March 24, 2018 Share #55 Posted March 24, 2018 I concur with robgo2 and geetee1972 who has used the SL with the 50 Summilux-M for a long time and is starting to use the 50 Summilux-SL now. A link in support of their sound arguments will be posted wherever possible. Tell me, if I remember correctly, you’re a neurosurgeon, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo98 Posted March 24, 2018 Share #56 Posted March 24, 2018 I concur with robgo2 and geetee1972 who has used the SL with the 50 Summilux-M for a long time and is starting to use the 50 Summilux-SL now. A link in support of their sound arguments will be posted wherever possible. Tell me, if I remember correctly, you’re a neurosurgeon, right? Yes... I am. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted March 24, 2018 Share #57 Posted March 24, 2018 (edited) Do you get any medical device sales rep calls or visits to tell you use this instrument or that? These micro scissors are easier to use, these clamps are easier to place, this spine cage stimulates bone growth faster (not sure you do spine surgery)? They are probably in the operating room with you sometimes. Edited March 24, 2018 by Chaemono 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geetee1972 Posted March 24, 2018 Author Share #58 Posted March 24, 2018 Just an initial thought, but having steadfastly shot with only manual focus lenses for the past four years, going back to AF feels like eating a whopping great chocolate cake having been on a diet for a year. At this point I can't tell if the simplicity of the process means I am able to relax more with the subject or if it means I am being too hurried. Initial impressions of working with the lens is that it is big and heavy but I don't think that's a problem when I'm in the flow of an engagement. I can still use and hold the camera the same as I do with the M Summilux. That said, I can't see me feeling as relaxed using it for 'street' photography for a little while yet. You can zone focus just as well as with the M, perhaps even better since the distance scale you get with the lens makes that process more accurate. Somehow though I suspect it will feel a little incongrous trying to be surreptitious with this lens until I become more familiar with it (assuming I decide to buy a copy). 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoreserve Posted March 24, 2018 Share #59 Posted March 24, 2018 @geetee 1972: You wrote "Just an initial thought, but having steadfastly shot with only manual focus lenses for the past four years, going back to AF feels like eating a whopping great chocolate cake having been on a diet for a year. At this point I can't tell if the simplicity of the process means I am able to relax more with the subject (...)" That's exactly to the point and my experience too - not only the ability to relax more with the subject (also face detection works!) but also the increase of focus-accuracy (you can set the focus point constantly! at any position, e.g. on the eyes)... After becoming familiar with (in my case) both SL-zooms work flow (manual focussing) with the M-35 FLE always needs getting used to... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo98 Posted March 24, 2018 Share #60 Posted March 24, 2018 Do you get any medical device sales rep calls or visits to tell you use this instrument or that? These micro scissors are easier to use, these clamps are easier to place, this spine cage stimulates bone growth faster (not sure you do spine surgery)? They are probably in the operating room with you sometimes. Yes... all the time. I have lots of friends who are reps as well.They come to the office and the OR. I do both spine and brain Why do you ask? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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