andybarton Posted July 5, 2007 Share #81 Posted July 5, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Are you wilfully trying to misunderstand? AFAIK Tim wasn't trying to say that pictures from other cameras should be posted here - just that those who would like to see pictures here aren't only interested in pictures from the M8 - or from Leica indeed. ...most people here who favour seeing images posted, do NOT only want to look at M8 photos. In fact we are so keen to get away from the gear-head mentality that we want this sub-forum to contain images as well as tech and accessory talk Of course I am not wilfully trying to misunderstand. Read what TIm posted above. I just think that it's a crying shame (and I have said this before, here) that many M8 users feel that they should only share their work with other M8 users and not the wider Leica community. [Drop glove] Perhaps they are afraid of mixing it with other M and R users...? [/Drop glove] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jonoslack Posted July 5, 2007 Share #82 Posted July 5, 2007 {quote] ...most people here who favour seeing images posted, do NOT only want to look at M8 photos. In fact we are so keen to get away from the gear-head mentality that we want this sub-forum to contain images as well as tech and accessory talk Of course I am not wilfully trying to misunderstand. Read what TIm posted above. I just think that it's a crying shame (and I have said this before, here) that many M8 users feel that they should only share their work with other M8 users and not the wider Leica community. [Drop glove] Perhaps they are afraid of mixing it with other M and R users...? [/Drop glove] I DID read it, and I see no evidence to suggest that he thinks that non M8 images should be posted here - simply that M8 users are interested in other images and that M8 images should be posted here. Remember, you and others had implied that anyone who wanted to see M8 images in this forum were ONLY interested in M8 images. As for dropping gloves - I did spend some time on the Photo forum - and I did post some shots as well - and I DID get a decent response. Nothing against it, simply that it's slow and time consuming and the structure does not lend itself very well to posting images. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted July 5, 2007 Share #83 Posted July 5, 2007 I think that now that it is so easy to create mini-websites (via LR, Flickr, etc), I would like to see links posted here to more M8 projects vs the "this the hotel I stayed at and shot it with my new $4K wide angle isn't it sharp in the corners" single type images. I like to see how the camera works in relation to a photographers, eye and style and subject, and generally this is best seen over a number of images that have a relationship to each other. I think this is probably the best compromise to posting images in this part of the forum - put a link and be specific in the title as to what it is about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted July 5, 2007 Share #84 Posted July 5, 2007 As for dropping gloves - I did spend some time on the Photo forum - and I did post some shots as well - and I DID get a decent response. Nothing against it, simply that it's slow and time consuming and the structure does not lend itself very well to posting images. Each to his own, Jono. I don't quite see why the photo forum is any slower than this one, especially when threads (usually) drop out of sight so quickly here, but I appreciate your experience in these matters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted July 5, 2007 Share #85 Posted July 5, 2007 I agree Jono it is hard to sometimes to relay a point technically unless it can be shown. Example the M8 is too grainy at 1250 what can be done. Well it helps to see it so we can comment on the exposure and raw processing of that image to help make it better for them. i think stuff like that is invaluable Thanks Guy, IMHO, this is exactly what the M8 sub-forum is for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JE Posted July 5, 2007 Share #86 Posted July 5, 2007 Of course I am not wilfully trying to misunderstand. Read what TIm posted above. I just think that it's a crying shame (and I have said this before, here) that many M8 users feel that they should only share their work with other M8 users and not the wider Leica community. [Drop glove] Perhaps they are afraid of mixing it with other M and R users...? [/Drop glove] Andy, I notice you didn't even bother to mention that M8 users don't want to mix it up with barnack users as it's obvious nobody wants a piece of them (us)...it is a shame, as you've said, certain people don't want to mix with others...funny thread this one, funny in a sad way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted July 5, 2007 Share #87 Posted July 5, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Andy, I notice you didn't even bother to mention that M8 users don't want to mix it up with barnack users as it's obvious nobody wants a piece of them (us)...it is a shame, as you've said, certain people don't want to mix with others...funny thread this one, funny in a sad way. You are so very right, J. IMHO (flame me if you like), the M8 has polarised this forum in a way I have never experienced in 13 years of net use. Maybe I haven't got into Photo.net enough! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted July 5, 2007 Author Share #88 Posted July 5, 2007 {quote] ...most people here who favour seeing images posted, do NOT only want to look at M8 photos. In fact we are so keen to get away from the gear-head mentality that we want this sub-forum to contain images as well as tech and accessory talk Of course I am not wilfully trying to misunderstand. Read what TIm posted above. I just think that it's a crying shame (and I have said this before, here) that many M8 users feel that they should only share their work with other M8 users and not the wider Leica community. [Drop glove] Perhaps they are afraid of mixing it with other M and R users...? [/Drop glove] Andy, I hate to say it but it looks like 100% misunderstanding. Whether it's wilful or not, only you know! And I don't want a fight here, least of all with people I respect. My position: I want photos in with the tech stuff. They are the heart of what we do and they provide one of a series of points around which we are a community. I do not advocate all M8 pictures because it is the pictures that interest me more than the camera. But I do acknowledge that since this is called the M8 sub-forum, the images with most relevance to our interests here will tend to be from the M8. There is perfectly good precedent for this elsewhere on the web, where 'most but not all' images in a brand or model specific forum will be from that brand or model. It's easy to tar me and others with the bizarre brush of either 1) 'Gee, you only want M8 images so you're more interested in the gear than the images' or 2) 'Gee, if you want a make'n'model free for all, why post it here?' All I was suggesting was that I would like a middle course. How appallingly moderate of me! I also agree with Guy that there have been some extremely snide remarks here (not from you) about the attitude and output of people who do a great deal to help and entertain this community. It leaves a very unpleasant taste. In fact make that an extremely unpleasant taste. Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted July 5, 2007 Share #89 Posted July 5, 2007 This will always be one of those "Some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time" things. In a "community" of 20,000, there will be always 20,001 different views, because by the time Nr 1 has read all the other views (s)he will have changed his/her mind PS. I have never said "Gee" in my entire life and have no intention of starting now PPS. I have also never wilfully misunderstood something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted July 5, 2007 Share #90 Posted July 5, 2007 "I also agree with Guy that there have been some extremely snide remarks here (not from you) about the attitude and output of people who do a great deal to help and entertain this community. It leaves a very unpleasant taste. In fact make that an extremely unpleasant taste." Tim No one here wants to be hammered on and frankly one reason why i don't post on the Photo forum( not all my work is for the public taste) and I think a lot of people feel the same way. If your not asking to be critiqued or wanting someone to comment than it should NOT be done. And it is extremely rude to put someone in the position to defend themseleves or there work if there not asking for a critique. Unless someone specifally asks for my help than i say nothing, to me that is just being polite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted July 5, 2007 Share #91 Posted July 5, 2007 If your not asking to be critiqued or wanting someone to comment than it should NOT be done. Somehow I don't think that most people post photographs on the Photo forum hoping they get no comments <grin> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted July 5, 2007 Share #92 Posted July 5, 2007 PS. I have never said "Gee" in my entire life and have no intention of starting now I think you just said it . . But you don't seem to have answered the points. It seems to me that there are a lot of new users around here, who are here because of the benefits of the M8, rather than because of any loyalty to Leica. Maybe they don't have time to embrace the whole user forum - whether or not they would like to. Without such people Leica was effectively doomed - they really needed new photographers, and people who were really going to use the cameras as well (we've all been to leica dealers and seen all those mint condition bodies which have clearly been used for 2 films a year). Before you bridle, I realise that this doesn't relate to many of the old Leica users here, and certainly doesn't relate to you. We learn from each other, and the posting of images helps this learning, whether it be with respect to post processing, dynamic range, jpg quality, filters - or simply to illustrate a discussion, or even (God forbid) for a bit of fun! In your answer to Guy you seemed to acknowledge this, but he has been the butt of a huge amount of abuse and downright nastiness with respect to pictures he has posted, despite the immense help he as provided for so many new M8 users. I think it's awful if you feel it's sad that the forum is polarised, but as a 'new' member there are certainly times when I've felt that honest and thoroughly considered opinions from newer members were not welcomed (and I'm not speaking personally here). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted July 5, 2007 Share #93 Posted July 5, 2007 Why not, just because you post a image does not mean you want a comment, your just sharing. I do it everyday on the M8 threads is post images, I don't need comments on my cropping and such but it is there for a specific reason to illustrate a point and that is the reason it is posted and no other and the reason it is posted is what should be commented on like the noise or something thyat directly relates to the topic at hand, not some BS that it is not artistic. That was not the reason it is posted . It's called clear and concise posting to what you want to illustrate not anything beyond that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted July 5, 2007 Share #94 Posted July 5, 2007 Here is my very personal opinion. I like browsing around on the whole forum, and like the focused nature of dividing it into various topics. However, I rarely find myself in this modus operandi, and usually just read the M8 forum, with an occasional sidetrip to the Digital forum. Sad, but that is the reality. As such, I would like to see photo threads in the M8 forum tolerated, perhaps with titles starting with "Photo: trip to Wherever" or somesuch, to allow people who are not interested in the photo threads to avoid them, and people who are interested, to find them. It would be cool if there was a way to cross-post threads in two forums... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolyn-IL Posted July 5, 2007 Share #95 Posted July 5, 2007 For whatever it is worth ... I am new here and am saving up for an M8 (and that will likely take months to a year, depending). I am only considering this one camera, so it's nice to come to this section and browse the photos taken with it and the various lenses. So I support posting photos here as opposed to sifting through the various other Leica model photos. I just really want to see what THIS camera does ... Thanks for keeping a good discussion about the topic and having such an adult, interesting forum here. Carolyn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted July 5, 2007 Share #96 Posted July 5, 2007 Why not, just because you post a image does not mean you want a comment, your just sharing. Guy, it doesn't work like that in the photo forum. Sorry, but it just doesn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knorp Posted July 5, 2007 Share #97 Posted July 5, 2007 This is the M8 forum right ? So please let us post M8 or M8-related images here. That will make this forum far more interesting [Guy's recent Solms trip being one of the highlights for me as newb/noob] to combine and enrich technical chitchat with relevant images. The photo forum is just for whatever Leica, I want M8-only here. Come on, make it happen ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted July 5, 2007 Share #98 Posted July 5, 2007 Here is my very personal opinion. I like browsing around on the whole forum, and like the focused nature of dividing it into various topics. However, I rarely find myself in this modus operandi, and usually just read the M8 forum, with an occasional sidetrip to the Digital forum. Sad, but that is the reality. As such, I would like to see photo threads in the M8 forum tolerated, perhaps with titles starting with "Photo: trip to Wherever" or somesuch, to allow people who are not interested in the photo threads to avoid them, and people who are interested, to find them. It would be cool if there was a way to cross-post threads in two forums... Hi Carsten - I quite agree - no point foisting photos on those who don't want them. I think it's an excellent idea - one simply needs a convention, and your 'Photo:' seems eminently sensible. Off topic - I've just been enjoying your exciting and enlightening quick time movie on shutter sounds . I really like the blog - simple and entertaining. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted July 5, 2007 Share #99 Posted July 5, 2007 Thanks for your comment about my movie Jono. That is my first personally directed and acted movie Also thanks for your blog comments. It is hard to keep up, but very worthwhile. I sense the improvement in my photos and workflow already. Fully exercising the whole pipeline on a nearly daily basis makes a big difference. I just need to print more often now... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted July 5, 2007 Share #100 Posted July 5, 2007 The gif of your daughter (?) doesn't play on a Mac, btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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