M10 or 50mm Lux

[malfaris]

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hi

I bought used M9 with zeiss lens 50 sonnar to test leica and now I am in love and want to upgrade. so sold some gear and got offer on M9. I wish i can get both but too much now, if I had to get only one for this year which one and the other next year which would you pick? I hate the low resolution of the LCD on M9 and its hard working with low ISO, thats why I am thinking of M10. 50mm Lux images are just so unique and I like it because I only love to shoot wide open which where it shine.

Edited December 26, 2017 by malfaris

[ShivaYash]

hi

I bought used M9 with zeiss lens 50 sonnar to test leica and now I am in love and want to upgrade. so sold some gear and got offer on M9. I wish i can get both but too much now, if I had to get only one for this year which one and the other next year which would you pick? I hate the low resolution of the LCD on M9 and its hard working with low ISO, thats why I am thinking of M10. 50mm Lux images are just so unique and I like it because I only love to shoot wide open which where it shine.

Get a 50 lux second hand.

 

 

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[adan]

Since you posted this in the "lens" forum rather than the "M10" forum - I think we can all guess which way the wind is blowing.... 

 

An f/1.4 lens will help compensate for the M9's low-light weaknesses - when the M9 came out and showed only marginal noise/high-ISO improvement over the M8, my first additional purchases (within a week) were 75mm and 35mm f/1.4 lenses.

 

Equally, if you "only love to shoot wide open" you may not get the full benefit of the M10's extra resolution. F/1.4 lenses (even the 50 ASPH) always compromise resolution a little wide-open, in exchange for light-gathering capability. And, of course, will only render a narrow part of the image sharply in focus.

 

And in terms of pixels per mm, 24 megapixels has only 15% more resolution than 18 megapixels - 6000 pixels wide vs. 5212. My M10 does not capture all that much more detail than my M9 - except when noise gets in the way.

 

I love the M10 because it allows me to "get away with" f/2 and f/2.4 and f/4 lenses (cheaper and smaller), but if you want the "look" of f/1.4, only an f/1.4 lens will provide that.

[TomB_tx]

Adan is right - you seem to have answered your own question. My answer was different, as in 50 years of Leica use I've never cared for their fast lenses. I like small and light lenses, and have a number I've collected over the decades. So I got an M10 and find my f2.5 lenses are all I need for available light work.

[malfaris]

great ideas guys, now you got me thinking why I dont keep my sonnar since it have nice bokeh despite the focus shift which I will deal with until I have more money for another lens and get the M10 with it so I have both worlds.

[enboe]

A vote for the M10, although you could get a very capable 240 or 262 + the lux.

[stephan54]

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M10 and the 50lux is my favourite combination, simply verz versatile.

[stephan54]

M10 and the 50lux is my favourite combination, simply very versatile.

[microview]

With an M10 you can always counter focus shift by using live view + magnification options.

[TomB_tx]

With an M10 you can always counter focus shift by using live view + magnification options.

Quite right - I've used my CV 35 f1.4 on an A7, focusing at the shooting aperture, and found out the CV is sharper than I thought when stopped  down. (Of course that's center sharpness on the A7, as the edges smear due to the sensor cover glass.) I'll try it on the M10 after I get the Viso 020, as I hate using a body LCD.

[evikne]

I had an M9 with a 50mm Summilux ASPH. That was a great combination. Then I upgraded to M10, and that was even more great. So if you (like me) love to shoot wide open for shallow DoF and beautiful bokeh, I would go for both! 

 

The order is hard to decide, but if you have a buyer for the M9, and you can afford a new M10, I would probably got this first. Then you can buy a used Summilux when you have saved up some more money.

[stephan54]

 

M10 and the 50lux is my favourite combination, simply very versatile.

 

 

Sorry, stupid double click error in mouse, thus double posting.

[malfaris]

Thank you guys I would take your advise and go for M10 and will have a nice dream about the Lux.

[Herr Barnack]

Since you are less than thrilled with your M9, I would say get the M10.  Another option could be to get a gently used M-P 240. 

 

The M-P 240 has double the buffer capacity of the M 240.  I experienced occasional freeze-ups with my M 240 that I have not experienced with my M-P 240.  This was likely a result of the smaller buffer capacity of the M240 filling up and causing a digital logjam in writing to the memory card.  The freeze-ups were rectified by turning off the camera and removing then reinstalling the battery, but this is quite an annoyance in the middle of a shoot.  The M-P 240 has a synthetic sapphire rear screen cover which is also a nice upgrade. 

 

The 50 Sonnar is a great lens which would do the job nicely until you can save up for a 50 Summilux.  Regarding the 50 'lux, take a hard look at the last non-ASPH 50 Summilux.  It is an excellent lens and sells for about half the price of a new 50 Summilux ASPH, if you can find one for sale.

Edited December 26, 2017 by Herr Barnack

[derleicaman]

I went from the M9-P to the M10, and I am loving every minute of using the new camera. I will have the M9-P up for sale after the 1st of the year. The improved resolution of the rear screen, the improved higher ISO performance and the improved shutter sound are the most noticeable improvements over the M9. I am also liking the connectivity with other devices via wifi. It makes downloading images of my new grandson much easier to everyone's iPhones. I had a little trouble getting the wifi to work at first, but Stefan Daniel happened to be handy :-) and he helped me out with this. 

 

I have both the Summilux and the Sonnar. They are both fantastic lenses in their own way. The Sonnar performance isn't quite as good as the Summilux ASPH, but its no slouch either. It can be a little tricky with focus shift, but it not as big a deal as people think. I have the Summilux ASPH Black Chrome and it is a little heavy compared to the Sonnar. I also have the original chrome v2 Summicron from the late fifties, so it is fun to compare all three of them.

 

I say go with the M10 and the Sonnar. Invest in the Viso 020 if you are too worried about focus shift and then save for the Summilux.

[Ko.Fe.]

I don't think M9 is for OP...

In the opposite, I hate huge screens (I need photo camera, not TV set) and I could buy f1.1 M-mount lens for only few hundreds dollars.

[malfaris]

I went from the M9-P to the M10, and I am loving every minute of using the new camera. I will have the M9-P up for sale after the 1st of the year. The improved resolution of the rear screen, the improved higher ISO performance and the improved shutter sound are the most noticeable improvements over the M9. I am also liking the connectivity with other devices via wifi. It makes downloading images of my new grandson much easier to everyone's iPhones. I had a little trouble getting the wifi to work at first, but Stefan Daniel happened to be handy :-) and he helped me out with this. 

 

I have both the Summilux and the Sonnar. They are both fantastic lenses in their own way. The Sonnar performance isn't quite as good as the Summilux ASPH, but its no slouch either. It can be a little tricky with focus shift, but it not as big a deal as people think. I have the Summilux ASPH Black Chrome and it is a little heavy compared to the Sonnar. I also have the original chrome v2 Summicron from the late fifties, so it is fun to compare all three of them.

 

I say go with the M10 and the Sonnar. Invest in the Viso 020 if you are too worried about focus shift and then save for the Summilux.

 

Thanks a lot  that the answer I was looking for you .

[adli]

If you want to shoot 50lux wide open, I would go for the M10. Focus is much more stable and precise that on the M9. On my M8 and M9 I had always a lot of problems with my fast lenses, on the M10 all of this is gone, most due to improvements in the focus mechanism but some also because of the better viewfinder (magnification).

[epand56]

It depends on your kind of photography. If, as the great part of people, you mainly look at the pictures you take on your computer, you will scarcely notice the improvement which an M10 will give you, but you will really enjoy the quality a Summilux 50/1.4 Asph. will give at your pictures when mounted on your M9. The same happened to me on my M8. 

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[a.noctilux]

Choice from M10 OR Summilux 50 is not a choice at all.

 

To have Summilux (which one ? ) rendering, you need Summilux.

To exploit the best way Summilux rendering, you need the best sensor and what after the sensor.

M10 is now the best "sensor+soft" (a bit better than the M240 family).

 

As side note, saking for the best is nothing more than "best for personal taste".

Example, I used Summilux-M 50 asph. for some years but now I prefer "organic" rendering of non asph. model.

Asph. Lux 50 sold but I have choice from three 50mm Summilux (fool, I know) and each is subtle different for their own rendering on film or sensor.