Dopaco Posted February 6, 2023 Share #181 Â Posted February 6, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) DNG with photoshop. (Camera RAW). In sports, for some 6-image burst photos. Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 6, 2023 Posted February 6, 2023 Hi Dopaco, Take a look here (Very) long lenses on the CL and TL. -Please add your experiences.. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
rob_w Posted February 7, 2023 Share #182  Posted February 7, 2023 These are great, Dopaco.  Fascinating that the colours are quite 'old school' -- I would have said, taken on film were it not a TL2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 8, 2023 Author Share #183  Posted February 8, 2023 Well, just to contradict myself, here is one that I processed yesterday. sigma 150-600 @ 600   Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/280072-very-long-lenses-on-the-cl-and-tl-please-add-your-experiences/?do=findComment&comment=4676847'>More sharing options...
Dopaco Posted February 8, 2023 Share #184  Posted February 8, 2023 On 2/7/2023 at 7:09 PM, rob_w said: These are great, Dopaco.  Fascinating that the colours are quite 'old school' -- I would have said, taken on film were it not a TL2 Thanks for comment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopaco Posted February 8, 2023 Share #185  Posted February 8, 2023 12 hours ago, jaapv said: Well, just to contradict myself, here is one that I processed yesterday. sigma 150-600 @ 600   Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! What does the Sigma 150-600 lens look like on camera?... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopaco Posted March 31, 2023 Share #186  Posted March 31, 2023 The Tele elmar 135 f4 lens is too short for me, I want to enlarge it and I need answers to the following questions: 1.- Has anyone tried the Leica Vario-Elmar-R 70-210mm F4 E60 in CL or TL2?... 2.- In case I decide to buy it... would I have to buy an adapter from R to L? 3. Can I add a 2XAPO extender to the Tele Elmar 135mm f4? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/280072-very-long-lenses-on-the-cl-and-tl-please-add-your-experiences/?do=findComment&comment=4740807'>More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted April 1, 2023 Share #187  Posted April 1, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 hours ago, Dopaco said: The Tele elmar 135 f4 lens is too short for me, I want to enlarge it and I need answers to the following questions: 1.- Has anyone tried the Leica Vario-Elmar-R 70-210mm F4 E60 in CL or TL2?... 2.- In case I decide to buy it... would I have to buy an adapter from R to L? 3. Can I add a 2XAPO extender to the Tele Elmar 135mm f4? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Vario Elmar R 70-210/4 is a Leitz badge engineered Minolta lens manufactured 1984-1996. Would not contemplate trying or buying myself because it's so old (zooms do not improve with age) and at 720g a little heavy and maybe unbalanced on a CL or TL2. Yes you'd need an R to L adapter. Not possible to add a 2x APO extender to the M Tele Elmar 135/4. The Leitz R 2x APO extender is only compatible with Leitz / Leica R lenses. There are no Leica extenders available for M lenses For a long lens on your CL /TL2, you could consider a manual focus Canon FD 300/4 L lens which has 2 ED glass elements, an accessory tripod collar (enabling good balance on a tripod) and would offer the FF equivalent of 450mm on your APS-C cameras . Not to be confused with the 'non-L' version. And can be used with the Canon FD 1.4x extender 'A' for conversion to a 420mm (630mm FF equiv) lens.  Canon FD 300/4 L is usually reasonably priced and has been recommended by Doug Herr.  You could also consider Leitz R 180/2.8 Mk I (has a tripod bush) or Mk II ... or the Leitz R 250/4 Mk I or Mk II (both have tripod bushes) .... all are compatible with the R 2x APO and 1.4x APO extenders.  There are also the R 400/6.8 and R 560/6.8 'telescope' lenses to consider – both very under-rated and can be obtained relatively cheaply. There is a new Leica Pocket Book 9th Edition due for publication shortly which lists the specifications of all Leitz / Leica lenses of all types (including R lenses) released up until  2022. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 1, 2023 Share #188  Posted April 1, 2023 (edited) The Leica 80-200 f4 Vario-Elmar R is a far better lens than the 70-210 and works well on the CL and M cameras with live view. A better choice might be the Panasonic 70-200 L Mount lens, which has the very significant benefit of having optical image stabilisation in the lens and very good auto focus, with subject tracking. I can confirm this works very well with both the CL and SL bodies. It is about half the weight and a third of the price of the Leica 90-280, which I had and found too heavy. The downside of this lens is that due to its short flange focal distance, it cannot be used on M bodies. Wilson Edited April 1, 2023 by wlaidlaw 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopaco Posted April 1, 2023 Share #189 Â Posted April 1, 2023 Thank you friends for your prompt and complete information. Data that I am going to study to see which of them best suits my budget. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopaco Posted April 1, 2023 Share #190  Posted April 1, 2023 (edited) For bird photos, does this combination work well?: Novoflex 400mm f5.6 T-Noflexar + PIGRIFF B Pistol Grip Follow Focus + Leica M Mount Adapter + Adapter L  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited April 1, 2023 by Dopaco Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/280072-very-long-lenses-on-the-cl-and-tl-please-add-your-experiences/?do=findComment&comment=4741408'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 1, 2023 Author Share #191  Posted April 1, 2023 17 hours ago, dkCambridgeshire said: There are no Leica extenders available for M lenses There is, however a third-party one. The quality is reasonable, but it might do better on an APS-C sensor. Komura 2x extender   1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommonego@gmail.com Posted April 1, 2023 Share #192  Posted April 1, 2023 vor 2 Stunden schrieb Dopaco: For bird photos, does this combination work well?: Novoflex 400mm f5.6 T-Noflexar + PIGRIFF B Pistol Grip Follow Focus + Leica M Mount Adapter + Adapter L  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The Novoflex is supposed to be a good lens, slightly better than the Leica Telyt 400 f5.6, which I have. My question would be if it is a Visoflex lens, if so Camera Quest has an M adapter, though it is not listed on their sight. I asked and they sent me one. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 1, 2023 Share #193  Posted April 1, 2023 I suspect an 80-200 R with a 2X APO extender would be better than the elderly Novoflex (a 1950's design). Saying it is better than the Leica 400/f5.6 is no great recommendation. Another thought would be the excellent Zeiss Contax long lenses with a Contax to Leica L adapter (Novoflex). They are very reasonably priced compared with the Leica equivalents. Wilson 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopaco Posted April 1, 2023 Share #194  Posted April 1, 2023 22 minutes ago, tommonego@gmail.com said: The Novoflex is supposed to be a good lens, slightly better than the Leica Telyt 400 f5.6, which I have. My question would be if it is a Visoflex lens, if so Camera Quest has an M adapter, though it is not listed on their sight. I asked and they sent me one. It has a very cheap price, its size and appearance scares me a bit because of the resemblance to a firearm. On the page it says it measures 177mm x 83mm. and weight 734g. It looks bigger in the photo. It comes with everything ready, I just have to add the adapter from M to L that I have. I am going to travel to Extremadura "Monfrague National Park" (Spain), where there are many birds and wild animals, the 135 f4 tele lens falls short for me, unless I could enlarge it 2x. It doesn't scare me that a lens is old, I have some very old lenses that give me better photos than many modern ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopaco Posted April 1, 2023 Share #195  Posted April 1, 2023 2 hours ago, jaapv said: There is, however a third-party one. The quality is reasonable, but it might do better on an APS-C sensor. Komura 2x extender   Thank you very much, I'll check it out to see if it still exists Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopaco Posted April 1, 2023 Share #196  Posted April 1, 2023 1 hour ago, wlaidlaw said: I suspect an 80-200 R with a 2X APO extender would be better than the elderly Novoflex (a 1950's design). Saying it is better than the Leica 400/f5.6 is no great recommendation. Another thought would be the excellent Zeiss Contax long lenses with a Contax to Leica L adapter (Novoflex). They are very reasonably priced compared with the Leica equivalents. Wilson Thank you. I'm looking at the Leica R 80-200 F4 lens and if it can be magnified to x2 it would be a good fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted April 1, 2023 Share #197  Posted April 1, 2023 3 hours ago, jaapv said: There is, however a third-party one. The quality is reasonable, but it might do better on an APS-C sensor. Komura 2x extender    31 minutes ago, Dopaco said: Thank you very much, I'll check it out to see if it still exists I have the Komura 2x extender. Never used it because reviews suggest it's better to crop the original image rather than use the Komura doubler. It's an older design dunk  1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommonego@gmail.com Posted April 1, 2023 Share #198 Â Posted April 1, 2023 vor 35 Minuten schrieb Dopaco: It has a very cheap price, its size and appearance scares me a bit because of the resemblance to a firearm. On the page it says it measures 177mm x 83mm. and weight 734g. It looks bigger in the photo. It comes with everything ready, I just have to add the adapter from M to L that I have. I am going to travel to Extremadura "Monfrague National Park" (Spain), where there are many birds and wild animals, the 135 f4 tele lens falls short for me, unless I could enlarge it 2x. It doesn't scare me that a lens is old, I have some very old lenses that give me better photos than many modern ones. Yes, my 400 Telyt looks a little scary too. I haven't been using it much as if I go out with it I think I scare the birds. You do need 1/500 of a second to use the lens I use a leica table top tripod as a support, I try to use f8. If it is cheap enough it might be just the thing for your trip. If you want to stay with the 135, there is a Komura M-mount extender, not Leica and kind of rare, and even as a 400, APS-C equivalent, it may not be enough for birds. I find the 400 Telyt to be a little short at times. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted April 1, 2023 Share #199  Posted April 1, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Dopaco said: For bird photos, does this combination work well?: Novoflex 400mm f5.6 T-Noflexar + PIGRIFF B Pistol Grip Follow Focus + Leica M Mount Adapter + Adapter L  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Should work very well with any L mount camera provided the lens group is clean https://www.novoflex.de/en/products-637/lens-adapters/adapter-rings/adapter-rings-products/adapter-rings-for-follow-focus-lenses.html Use the Novoflex adapter LETA which bayonets onto the Novoflex Universal bayonet A .... after removing whichever adapter is currently fitted The whole system is explained in https://www.camera-manual.com/novoflex-400/-followfocus-manual-18036-gbp Sometimes the Noflexar lenes are hazy / dusty but it' fairly easy to dismantle and carefully clean, the lens group. BUT .... beware of 'speckled' lens coatings. I've seen several examples with speckled / deteriorating lens coatings The Novoflex Noflexar lens 'optics' were made by the Agfa subsidiary Staeble who also made the 1960s to 80s Leitz Elpro close-up achromats. The 400mm Noflexar T is 3 element achromat; the regular 400mm Noflexar is a 2 element achromat; both are telescope lenses as distinct from telephoto designs.  My own Leica SL 601 / T Noflexar 400/5.6 set-up used with Novoflex follow focus mount - but with Leitz R bellows added for finer close-up focus .... also with a 2x R APO extender . Combination used for dragonflies with an R to SL adapter but could also be used with the LETA adapter without the R bellows Handholding not recommended . The 'follow focus grip' is attached to an ARCA plate which slides into a gimbal tripod mount . Low seat next to the apparatus. BW, dunk  Edited April 1, 2023 by dkCambridgeshire 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacek.PL Posted April 1, 2023 Share #200 Â Posted April 1, 2023 And what about sigma L 100-400 or 150-600 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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