RHarrisPhoto Posted July 24, 2017 Share #1 Posted July 24, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hey. My 240 got a bit wet on the weekend and wouldn't turn on. It's dried off now and turns on but isn't operating correctly... Shutter speeds sound accurate, but the lcd is non responsive, and I am just getting "5o" (not 50) appearing in the vf. Anyone familiar or know what this could mean? I appreciate anyone posting who might know. Thanks, Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 24, 2017 Posted July 24, 2017 Hi RHarrisPhoto, Take a look here Viewfinder "5o" error sign?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
a.noctilux Posted July 24, 2017 Share #2 Posted July 24, 2017 "Sd" blinking in VF when I forget to put in SD card. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted July 24, 2017 Share #3 Posted July 24, 2017 Wet where? You can use the camera in the rain but if you opened it (base plate, lens off, hot shoe shield removed) there might get be problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHarrisPhoto Posted July 24, 2017 Author Share #4 Posted July 24, 2017 Wet where? You can use the camera in the rain but if you opened it (base plate, lens off, hot shoe shield removed) there might get be problems. Well here is the issue. I've taken it out inthe rain many times without any issues (other than the lens fogging up for a while), but yesterday I was caught out in the rain for longer than expected, and perhaps was too casual with looking after the camera. It wouldn't turn on for some reason / was acting weird / the lcd wasn't working so I thought it had maybe frozen (which it hasn't done since updating the FW), so went to remove the battery. Found the bottom compartment actually had water in it . Even though there is a rubber seal around this area? I am a bit perplexed. I have left it drying out for over a day and with silica packs inside, but this error persists. Thank you both for your suggestion. I'll try another card. Thankfully I didn't really have much on the card that wasn't saved, and what was lost, wasn't particularly important (just casual snaps). But I did have it with me for a friends birthday and returned without any images, which was pretty disappointing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted July 24, 2017 Share #5 Posted July 24, 2017 Maybe your base plate "O ring" seal has some dirt on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHarrisPhoto Posted July 24, 2017 Author Share #6 Posted July 24, 2017 Maybe your base plate "O ring" seal has some dirt on it. Thing is is it's impeccable. I'm the only owner and always a half cover on the camera, and generally only take the plate off when at home to get the card out or charge the battery. It's had minimal use too... Not sure how it worked it's way in really... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHarrisPhoto Posted July 24, 2017 Author Share #7 Posted July 24, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) So I am now getting an "Sd" error sign. Perhaps this was related to condensation and fogging, as to why the 'd' didn't render fully, who knows... But have tried a different SD card and it is still just producing the "Sd" error sign... And the LCD is not responding at all still... Not looking good... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 24, 2017 Share #8 Posted July 24, 2017 Call Leica CS in Wetzlar and ask for a pickup label +4964412080189. Alternately get your camera into Leica Mayfair ASAP. Take out the battery and do NOT reinsert it. Inform your Insurance company. Fingers crossed that it can be salvaged. Water inside an M camera is not a good omen. In general, if a camera malfunctions from water ingress, take out the battery immediately, dry it out by a hair dryer and Silicagel, or dry rice at a pinch, and send it in as soon as possible. The problem is that the light metal from the bodyshell will cause electrolytic corrosion with the copper and solder of the electronic parts. This is often irreversible and terminal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 24, 2017 Share #9 Posted July 24, 2017 The problem is that Leica does not specify the IP code for their cameras. The M 240 is weathersealed, but in what class? Possibly IP3 or IP4, which means that it will resist spray from various angles, but not from below, and it is not sealed against immersion. So standing it in a puddle will mean that water can get in. The S, for instance, is supposed to be able to survive mild immersion, which would give it a code of IP7. If the IP code were specified, users would be able to assess whether the camera is up to the circumstances. Now it is a grey area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHarrisPhoto Posted July 24, 2017 Author Share #10 Posted July 24, 2017 Jaap, thank you, I appreciate your advice. Luckily I'm in London right now so that may make getting a quote easier, which my insurance company needs IIRC. Just getting all my files and info up, gonna make the dreaded call... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted July 24, 2017 Share #11 Posted July 24, 2017 IP 53 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 24, 2017 Share #12 Posted July 24, 2017 So it is resistant to dust coming from all sides and spray coming from an angle of +60/-60 degrees. Not terribly impressive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted July 24, 2017 Share #13 Posted July 24, 2017 So it is resistant to dust coming from all sides and spray coming from an angle of +60/-60 degrees. Not terribly impressive. Rudimentary but better than nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted July 24, 2017 Share #14 Posted July 24, 2017 Leica has always been less than forthcoming about the weather resistance of its equipment. The exception is the XU, of course, and also the SL; I can't remember if it has an IP rating, but the descriptive terminology they use ("virtually impossible for dust, moisture, or water to get inside") gives me comfort that they would deal with it if water did get in. I've had the SL + SL zoom out in heavy rain without any problem. I certainly don't trust the M240 to the same extent. The marketing blurb says "Specially designed rubber seals protect the camera body against splashes, moisture, dust and bad weather conditions," - to me this says : take it out in the rain at your risk. The M10 blurb says "Perfectly equipped to withstand light showers, dust & Co.", which is not up the SL assurances. I would be nervous about using it in rain. With the M system, whatever the body spec, the mount has no seals at all. Testing to a recognised standard is expensive, of course, but I wish Leica would do so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 24, 2017 Share #15 Posted July 24, 2017 Yes, and they cooperated in an article in LFI on the S when it came out, but that is about it. As I said, if they made a clear statement on the rating of their equipment, users would be less nervous about using it in adverse conditions (and more careful when going beyond the parameters) and Leica would be in a better position to judge guaranty claims. I cannot imagine that Leica does not test its products. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted July 24, 2017 Share #16 Posted July 24, 2017 Leica has always been less than forthcoming about the weather resistance of its equipment. The exception is the XU, of course, and also the SL; I can't remember if it has an IP rating, but the descriptive terminology they use ("virtually impossible for dust, moisture, or water to get inside") gives me comfort that they would deal with it if water did get in. I've had the SL + SL zoom out in heavy rain without any problem. I certainly don't trust the M240 to the same extent. The marketing blurb says "Specially designed rubber seals protect the camera body against splashes, moisture, dust and bad weather conditions," - to me this says : take it out in the rain at your risk. The M10 blurb says "Perfectly equipped to withstand light showers, dust & Co.", which is not up the SL assurances. I would be nervous about using it in rain. With the M system, whatever the body spec, the mount has no seals at all. Testing to a recognised standard is expensive, of course, but I wish Leica would do so. It is expensive and they do test it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted July 24, 2017 Share #17 Posted July 24, 2017 It is expensive and they do test it. Can you point me to where they give the standards they test to? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted July 24, 2017 Share #18 Posted July 24, 2017 Can you point me to where they give the standards they test to? Sorry I cannot. It is not for public consumption. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHarrisPhoto Posted July 24, 2017 Author Share #19 Posted July 24, 2017 Does anyone know if Mayfair would charge me for a repair quotation? Would it be sent off to Germany? Just trying to think about this economically (my insurance is very steep, so a bit 'miffed' that they don't take care of the repair quotations themselves) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted July 24, 2017 Share #20 Posted July 24, 2017 I don't want to worry you, but read this tale of woe https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/274185-my-m10-repair-the-moral-of-the-story/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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