pnoble Posted July 9, 2017 Share #1 Posted July 9, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm sure this is heresy for many on this forum but I am a former Aperture user who much prefers Photos to Lightroom. But six months after the M10's release there is still no RAW support which seems an unusually long delay for Apple. I find I rarely do much beyond exposure adjustment, occasional color balance and the inevitable cropping required with a rangefinder for which Photos is fine and it is getting lots of attention from Apple including significant enhancement in the next OS X release. Not to mention it's tight integration with the Apple ecosystem. Meanwhile Lightroom CC doesn't seem to have been touched in years. A colleague who is an Adobe Creative Suite/Cloud power user thinks that Adobe isn't bothering since it feels it has a monopoly in Lightroom, unlike most of its other components all of which are regularly upgraded. There isn't even any personalized support for Lightroom unlike the other CC components. I find it hard and complex to use and haven't yet found a way to move the default file locations to my iCloud directory to ensure realtime backup and my power user colleague couldn't either. Am I alone in my frustration? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mikemgb Posted July 9, 2017 Share #2 Posted July 9, 2017 I would also love to be able to add my iCloud photo library to Lightroom to enable easy syncing, but Apple treats iCloud Photos as an app rather than a folder which makes it impossible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyniev Posted July 9, 2017 Share #3 Posted July 9, 2017 after researching the internet with no answer to get my stand alone LR6 updated I contacted Appel support, via chat, spent two hours, 45 minutes waiting , the chat site keeps on saying in one minute, then the support person in India sent me to general update site on Adobe, after 1hour 15 minutes of discussions and this India chap keeps on saying give me two minutes so I can talk to someone, he said there is NO update on LR6 standalone.... dont need CC, I have CS5 and I rarely use Photoshop so that is non CC version sufficient but I want some of LR6 enhancements like removing haze, but now I am stock with a version 6.0 LR instead of 6.10.1 I use Capture One with my Sony images, may start looking at it again now for Leica. I used it for Sony to have a "Leica" like color rendering,I wonder if the M10 imags will pop up even more than LR :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted July 9, 2017 Share #4 Posted July 9, 2017 absolutely wrong. You can updated to v6.8 and beyond. If you have 6.0...you still have to use the CC app to update the stand alone version. If 6.0 is installed, just add the CC updater app to your tray and it will allow you to update to 6.10.1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulN Posted July 9, 2017 Share #5 Posted July 9, 2017 I am frustrated as well. I am looking for native DNG support while traveling with an iPad Pro. Since supporting LR back in the early public betas, I am not convinced that the CC subscription is worth it. The cloud sync capability is nice, but the workflow is horrific. I'd rather throw money into iCloud storage than to pay for CC. Have you looked into alternate DNG processing tools in the interim? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted July 9, 2017 Share #6 Posted July 9, 2017 The workflow is very simple...LR is a great tool. Its been ages since the public beta, I wouldn't dismiss software based on an old experience with early beta versions. IMO, LR is the simplest workflow for processing your digital negatives...and it has a very powerful tool set. CC is the same application as the stand alone with a few added features. Its $100/yr and includes Photoshop...quite a bargain and long term no more expensive that the stand alone version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotium Posted July 9, 2017 Share #7 Posted July 9, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) after researching the internet with no answer to get my stand alone LR6 updated I contacted Appel support, via chat, spent two hours, 45 minutes waiting , the chat site keeps on saying in one minute, then the support person in India sent me to general update site on Adobe, after 1hour 15 minutes of discussions and this India chap keeps on saying give me two minutes so I can talk to someone, he said there is NO update on LR6 standalone.... dont need CC, I have CS5 and I rarely use Photoshop so that is non CC version sufficient but I want some of LR6 enhancements like removing haze, but now I am stock with a version 6.0 LR instead of 6.10.1 I use Capture One with my Sony images, may start looking at it again now for Leica. I used it for Sony to have a "Leica" like color rendering,I wonder if the M10 imags will pop up even more than LR :-) Is this helpful? Click on the arrow by LR6 for recent versions: https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/kb/lightroom-downloads.html Adobe Makes it as difficult as humanly possible to find the non-subscription downloads, but they are available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsedov Posted July 9, 2017 Share #8 Posted July 9, 2017 I find Capture One to be a wonderful RAW processor and decent organization tool as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 9, 2017 Share #9 Posted July 9, 2017 You could also try Affinity Photo too. This one does already open M10 files and does a fine job of everything I have ever given it to do. https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyniev Posted July 9, 2017 Share #10 Posted July 9, 2017 Is this helpful? Click on the arrow by LR6 for recent versions: https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/kb/lightroom-downloads.html Adobe Makes it as difficult as humanly possible to find the non-subscription downloads, but they are available. Thanks I reinstalled from the site, but it still says LR6 Raw 9...where do I see the verson number? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted July 9, 2017 Share #11 Posted July 9, 2017 I agree with dsedov above. Back when Apple discontinued Aperture I compared Capture One's raw conversion to Apple's and found C1 better in all cases and particularly so in some. Apple had difficulty handling extreme saturation and edge or out of gamut colours with a tendency to blow out reds in particular. I didn't bother testing Adobe because I didn't want to go down the subscription route and wasn't fond of them as a company. Capture One has not been perfect as an all-purpose database and mastering tool. It's been an expensive route also. But in terms of raw image conversion I'd be surprised if it is beaten. I found far less work required on C1 imports so I could focus on the fun side of tweaking/filtering. It is I believe known and marketed for the quality of its raw conversions. I've not tried Affinity Photo but that looks worth checking out as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyniev Posted July 9, 2017 Share #12 Posted July 9, 2017 absolutely wrong. You can updated to v6.8 and beyond. If you have 6.0...you still have to use the CC app to update the stand alone version. If 6.0 is installed, just add the CC updater app to your tray and it will allow you to update to 6.10.1 How, should I use the Leica 90 day trial on CC, then update from there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 9, 2017 Share #13 Posted July 9, 2017 I'm sure this is heresy for many on this forum but I am a former Aperture user who much prefers Photos to Lightroom. But six months after the M10's release there is still no RAW support which seems an unusually long delay for Apple. I find I rarely do much beyond exposure adjustment, occasional color balance and the inevitable cropping required with a rangefinder for which Photos is fine and it is getting lots of attention from Apple including significant enhancement in the next OS X release. Not to mention it's tight integration with the Apple ecosystem. Meanwhile Lightroom CC doesn't seem to have been touched in years. A colleague who is an Adobe Creative Suite/Cloud power user thinks that Adobe isn't bothering since it feels it has a monopoly in Lightroom, unlike most of its other components all of which are regularly upgraded. There isn't even any personalized support for Lightroom unlike the other CC components. I find it hard and complex to use and haven't yet found a way to move the default file locations to my iCloud directory to ensure realtime backup and my power user colleague couldn't either. Am I alone in my frustration? I also hate the subscription model. When mine runs out I am dumping Lightroom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 9, 2017 Share #14 Posted July 9, 2017 I also dislike Lightroom, have done so since the start. I have tried just about anything and keep coming back to Photoshop. As for the subscription model, it costs about 120 Euro per year. That is cheaper than updating Photoshop every few years. And I get LR thrown in for free for the times I want to go quick and easy on my laptop on the road. I am not surprised that Photos has not been updated for the M10. It took Apple well over a year to support Monochrom files, even for Preview. in their OS. But outside these well-known ones there are many others, like Capture One, which has been mentioned here, Photoshop Elements which does all the basics -and well- (lacks lens profiles), ON1, which is related to Lightroom, both in the workflow and in the group of developers, Gimp, which is free and surprisingly good, Cyberlink Photo Director, Corel Paintshop, ACDSee Ultimate, etc. I never user the last three, though. You'd have to find out about M10 support yourself. Photos, unfortunately, is aimed at the lower end of the market, more meant as a competitor to the free editors like Picasa and Instagram, so their small interest in Leica is logical, and it lacks both layers and content-aware editing. Find some reviews here: https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2369237,00.asp There are reviews of free editors, some of which are really good, here: http://www.techradar.com/news/the-best-free-photo-editor Some more options here: https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/best-free-photo-editing-software/2/ You are not stuck with the three or four editors used generally, there is a huge choice out there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnoble Posted July 9, 2017 Author Share #15 Posted July 9, 2017 Thank you for all the informative feedback! I just personally don't use the comprehensive features of LR and don't want to invest in what would seem a pretty steep learning curve, but above all I want to integrate my M10 images with my others (from iPhone and Sony RX100) rather than have to treat them separately: and use the functionality I take for granted such as the simplicity of emailing photos at a reduced file size, and automatic cloud backup to a cloud service I already pay for and trust. Creation of albums and such. (And frankly, seeing all personal support greyed out when one selects LR on the Adobe support page disinclines me to want to pay them a subscription.) Instead, my M10 images are separated from my 'life flow', regardless of how wonderful LR might be to the 'work flow' of its experienced users. The only issue raised that gives me pause is whether Apple's RAW converter quality is comparable with Adobe's, at least subjectively to me, which I will only be able to confirm once Apple's is available. So, you might be wondering why I have invested in an M10 and the APO 50 that has been on it since purchase, when I'm not similarly invested in significantly editing my photos? Coming from film based photography, typically transparencies, merely being able to adjust exposure and occasional color balance is a gift from heaven. I don't print, rarely have, and my images are mostly distributed and 'consumed' in the digital domain. They are defined by content, composition and (natural) lighting. But back to the investment. Because I can. Because I love the deliberativeness that a rangefinder imposes, because I love the tactile experience of a Leica and because I love the aesthetics of the camera, one of the truly iconic product designs of the past half Century. Because the lens quality is extraordinary. Because of the simplicity, because it is compact and unobtrusive. And because it allows me, sometimes, to take exceptional photos. But back to one practicality. Does anyone know how I can (for now) simply redirect the LR default location for file storage to my iCloud drive? It shouldn't matter to LR. All files remain on my HD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted July 9, 2017 Share #16 Posted July 9, 2017 You didn't mention the baseplate. The divinely inspired baseplate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted July 9, 2017 Share #17 Posted July 9, 2017 If your default location for imports is the cloud, then I hope you have the patience to wait while your internet connection is repaired before seeing your latest photos. Import locally and backup to the cloud. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted July 9, 2017 Share #18 Posted July 9, 2017 Thanks I reinstalled from the site, but it still says LR6 Raw 9...where do I see the verson number?Version shows on home screen when application opens. I'm a fan of LR for my editing , but incorporate ImagePrint 10 for the print phase. LR features are simply described in free videos by Adobe's Julieanne Kost, and books by Scott Kelby. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnoble Posted July 9, 2017 Author Share #19 Posted July 9, 2017 If your default location for imports is the cloud, then I hope you have the patience to wait while your internet connection is repaired before seeing your latest photos. Import locally and backup to the cloud. With OS X, any file saved to the iCloud directory is automatically backed up to iCloud but the file remains on the HD so there is no issue with file retrieval from iCloud. Same for any file/folder saved to the desktop with the latest OS X release. Furthermore, any file/folder saved to iCloud is accessible from any iOS device. I know Adobe CC has its own cloud ecosystem but I don't want to 'invest' in it if I anticipate leaving CC. I sense I am just digging myself into a hole as I am currently editing in LR. I am 100% invested in Apple's total ecosystem in which I am exceedingly satisfied, and I don't get the sense that theirs and Adobe's play well together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted July 9, 2017 Share #20 Posted July 9, 2017 How, should I use the Leica 90 day trial on CC, then update from there? No. If you have the stand alone version, you need to start with that and just update it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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