105012 Posted March 15, 2017 Author Share #21 Posted March 15, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) A good way then to make sure that you take your camera from the bag, it will have a drained battery. Unless you have a way to absolutely make sure the shutter button will not be waking the camera up when in the bag. I just don't see a way around an on-off switch of some kind. If the camera can start in an instant, then it can turn itself on and off as required, it doesn't have to turn on for long periods like 2 minutes. It can just be on for the photo taking moments. Battery life can be amazing. As for framelines etc, my M3 is solar powered, what a great idea! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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digitalfx Posted March 15, 2017 Share #22 Posted March 15, 2017 I really don't want to walk around reflexively twitching the shutter all the time, just design the device (hardware/software) better, it can be done. You may have to buy a Fuji then...this is the fastest startup he have had since Leica started making digital M's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff S Posted March 15, 2017 Share #23 Posted March 15, 2017 I have trouble buying into 'slow' start up times in an RF camera. Sorry. But by the time I'm looking through the RF and starting to focus, the cameras been in for a few seconds. With AF, maybe, if you see something so immediate and want to shoot it. With an M, by the time I'm holding it straight it's already on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
105012 Posted March 16, 2017 Author Share #24 Posted March 16, 2017 It is a good thing that we use our Leica's in different ways. For me, the ability to instantly take a photograph is of great importance to capture the moment. And it is essential to have a reliable machine that will respond immediately at all times. A pair of film M's (M3 to M6 and M-A/MP) satisfies this requirement. It would be nice if Leica could achieve this in the digital realm given that other digital camera manufacturer's are close to it today, but go one step further by focussing on the Essentials and eliminating the on-off switch. It is not too hard to imagine how this would work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted March 16, 2017 Share #25 Posted March 16, 2017 Pardon my ignorance, but how can one have an electrical device without an on/off switch, other than having it powered up all the time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
105012 Posted March 16, 2017 Author Share #26 Posted March 16, 2017 Pardon my ignorance, but how can one have an electrical device without an on/off switch, other than having it powered up all the time? Movement of the shutter button to a certain depth enables current flow. (And can all be done magnetically for weather sealing). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted March 16, 2017 Share #27 Posted March 16, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) To put it exaggerated: If the wake up time of the M10 is fast enough for You, You are to slow. And it is not about the start up time, when You turn the camera on, it is about the wake up, when the camera is fallen asleep. Elmar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted March 16, 2017 Share #28 Posted March 16, 2017 Movement of the shutter button to a certain depth enables current flow. (And can all be done magnetically for weather sealing). Im going to guess you are in the minority on this...what is the advantage of no power switch? Is it really that difficult to turn on your camera before you begin to use it? Personally I want full control. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 16, 2017 Share #29 Posted March 16, 2017 Movement of the shutter button to a certain depth enables current flow. (And can all be done magnetically for weather sealing). What advantage would that have over automatic power cut-off like it has now? And how about accidental activation in the camera bag? And would the camera not need time to initate anyway? To me it appears to be a solution that solves nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Mandeville Posted March 16, 2017 Share #30 Posted March 16, 2017 To put it exaggerated: If the wake up time of the M10 is fast enough for You, You are to slow. And it is not about the start up time, when You turn the camera on, it is about the wake up, when the camera is fallen asleep. I guess if you are a snapshot taker, this is true. Some of us like to actually compose and focus before taking a photograph. I have never missed a shot because of slow wake up time on my M9, and I don't expect any problems with the M10. But there is a simple solution for you. Set the camera to never go to sleep and don't turn the switch off. It will always be ready when you are. Better carry a few extra batteries with you, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted March 16, 2017 Share #31 Posted March 16, 2017 I guess if you are a snapshot taker, this is true. If this is Your level... Look at my photos. I am not a snapshot photographer. I think I am fast and the M10 is a very fast and reactive camera. But mostly I hate to wate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 16, 2017 Share #32 Posted March 16, 2017 I don't see the insult. Winogrand was a self-admitted snapshot taker. A snapshot being a fast photograph off the cuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Mandeville Posted March 16, 2017 Share #33 Posted March 16, 2017 If this is Your level... Look at my photos. I am not a snapshot photographer. I think I am fast and the M10 is a very fast and reactive camera. But mostly I hate to wate. If you take less than 1.5 seconds to pull the camera to your eye, focus and compose, and take the picture, then yes, you are a snapshot photographer. You may very well take incredible snapshots, but that's what they are. As Jaapv said, no insult is intended. But it is what it is. If 1.5 seconds is routinely too slow for you to pull the camera up, focus and compose, and press the shutter button, then you are taking snapshots. That's the very definition of the word. Either that, or you are greatly exaggerating the amount of "waiting" that you have to do with the M10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garygraphy Posted March 17, 2017 Share #34 Posted March 17, 2017 I went to your website and clicked a couple of categories. I do not see anything that is fast and dynamic but instead all your shots are mainly static or posed. I hardly see what's your issue of start-up with the kind of photos you favor. If this is Your level... Look at my photos. I am not a snapshot photographer. I think I am fast and the M10 is a very fast and reactive camera. But mostly I hate to wate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
105012 Posted March 17, 2017 Author Share #35 Posted March 17, 2017 For more than a century Ernst Leitz and Leica Camera have made Leica's without an on-off switch. In fact, the vast majority of all Leica's ever made have no on-off switch. How wonderful. Even for digital, with a little thought, it is possible to imagine how to design a camera with great (in fact, better) battery life and no on-off switch. Anyway, this thread was started with a simple question as to whether the dpreviewer really was correct on the 1.5 seconds. I shall have to try it out on a demo M10 sometime, and will see if my (much less expensive) Fuji is faster or not. However, the M3 remains the best choice of camera for my photography. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted March 17, 2017 Share #36 Posted March 17, 2017 Worth noting; the M6 and M6TTL both have on/off switch. It's incorporated in the shutter speed dial. M6 is 'Off' when set to 'B', otherwise the meter battery can easily go flat in a tight camera bag. The M6TTL has an actual 'Off' setting on the shutter speed dial, for the same reason. Óff', and 'On' positions do serve a very important function. Certainly those cameras will still work without the battery, but digital cams will not. Even more important that on/off function is employed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 17, 2017 Share #37 Posted March 17, 2017 Come to think of it, I cannot think of any camera containing a battery by Leica that does not have a way of switching off the electricity. If only by pushing the wind lever in. But I will give the OP: no Leica camera without a battery has an on-off switch... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
105012 Posted March 17, 2017 Author Share #38 Posted March 17, 2017 Come to think of it, I cannot think of any camera containing a battery by Leica that does not have a way of switching off the electricity. If only by pushing the wind lever in. But I will give the OP: no Leica camera without a battery has an on-off switch... M5 turns on the meter when the shutter is cocked, when not cocked the circuit is broken (off). Once cocked there is no way to turn it off other than to release the shutter. Battery lasts for years even when cocked, so non-issue for that camera. Also the M5 has a wonderful linear metering scale so you can see at a glance how many stops you are away from "average" and no distracting LED lights in the viewfinder... but please don't leap to the defence of your blinky blinky LED Leica, it's okay. we all have different perspectives Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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