anickpick Posted March 8, 2017 Share #521 Posted March 8, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) It fits an audio cable. This way, you can connect it to the Sofort. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 8, 2017 Posted March 8, 2017 Hi anickpick, Take a look here M10? - Sorry, no!. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
pop Posted March 8, 2017 Share #522 Posted March 8, 2017 So what is the port for under the plastic piece with the SD card image? At a first guess, I would think it's a service port for the technician. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stef63 Posted March 8, 2017 Share #523 Posted March 8, 2017 BTW - I didn't discover that port by chance - somewhere in the past six weeks I'd run across someone else's picture showing that cover removed, and knew it should be there. Can't find that source right now, though. Some more internal pictures of the M10 are now available on the FCC website showing "the connector". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted March 8, 2017 Share #524 Posted March 8, 2017 Sure, the port that is used for testing was appropriated for hard tether, because it seems that is essentially what they use it for when testing. Which to me makes it funnier because they understand the value and how much more useful, quicker and efficient it is than having to transfer SD cards. An optional grip is not going to hurt sales or anyones perception of the camera, it's just going to help people, giving them maximum and easier use of their camera and keeping their existing customers who have been relying on it, happy and functioning rather than send them packing, and also while keeping it open to new potential customers who need to know that what ever very expensive system they buy can be used as much as possible for the needs they have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted March 8, 2017 Share #525 Posted March 8, 2017 To me it's like selling a car without a petrol cap so the car looks more streamlined. To fill the up petrol you have to jack up the car and remove the tank to fill it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted March 8, 2017 Share #526 Posted March 8, 2017 To me it's like selling a car without a petrol cap so the car looks more streamlined. To fill the up petrol you have to jack up the car and remove the tank to fill it up. Sounds like an English car to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted March 8, 2017 Share #527 Posted March 8, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sounds like an English car to me. No, no, the English petrol tank can only be removed once it's rusted out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted March 8, 2017 Share #528 Posted March 8, 2017 To avoid starting a new thread for just one more "first impressions" post, I will divert this one a bit. I looked at the M10 in Leica Mayfair today. I'm coming at it as a former owner of M2, M3 and M9, and current owner of the M240 and SL. I didn't do a full check, just looked at the aspects that concerned me. I had my M240 with me and my own Apo Summicron 50. + yes, it's smaller (surprise, surprise), attractively so. I tested it with my own lenses, but didn't find my fingers going to the wrong ring (they're a few mm further from the body). + I take it as read that IQ and low light performance will be similar to or better than the SL i.e. better than the M240. But the M240's IQ is not holding me back. + ISO dial. I can instantly see the ISO setting even when switched off. I had no trouble pulling the the dial up. I suspect early reports of it being stiff were just a loosening up stage. = shutter noise: same volume as M240, slightly higher pitch. = viewfinder: didn't look that different to me, though I know it is. White lines were brighter. I didn't notice focusing being better. I suspect this is something I might notice the more I used it. = Start up time 1-2 secs: very similar to M240 (a pity - I expected better). - EVF. No, I didn't expect resolution or size like the SL. But even in bright light the image flickered badly when panning. For a new camera, new processor, and supposedly the best EVF they could offer, this is not good enough. Blackout after shots was still there, at about 1sec. TBH, I might be prepared to live with it if the EVF handled motion better. A comment about EVF. On the M240, I find the EVF vital for three applications, all within the normal usage of a M: 1. Checking focus calibration. 2. Using the OUFRO for close-up. 3. Using wide angles (SEM 21 in my case) For these uses, a flickering image while panning is not a problem, and I can manage with the EVF for the M240. But if the EVF for the M10 was smooth and had no blackouts, I would be much more likely to use the M with longer lenses, for which I would currently use the SL. But with longer lenses, all motion is amplified, so any flickering renders it a PITA for this purpose. So the absence of a good EVF keeps the M10 firmly in its comfort zone below 90mm. Thinking back to the time of anticipation before the M10 was announced, I admit I expected Leica to pull a rabbit out of a hat and add a feature or an improvement that would instantly overcome my unwillingness to trade-up. They didn't - they just produced an all round good upgrade. It is still not enough to persuade me to change. But as I told the saleswoman: if Leica adds in firmware a silent electronic shutter at slow speeds, I could be tempted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest )-( Posted March 8, 2017 Share #529 Posted March 8, 2017 Sure, the port that is used for testing was appropriated for hard tether, because it seems that is essentially what they use it for when testing. Which to me makes it funnier because they understand the value and how much more useful, quicker and efficient it is than having to transfer SD cards. An optional grip is not going to hurt sales or anyones perception of the camera, it's just going to help people, giving them maximum and easier use of their camera and keeping their existing customers who have been relying on it, happy and functioning rather than send them packing, and also while keeping it open to new potential customers who need to know that what ever very expensive system they buy can be used as much as possible for the needs they have. Since the port is there, you don't know what the future intention is around providing a grip. If might still be planned to release one at a later date? Leica are the only ones who see the facts and figures surrounding sales of their products. For now there still remains an M (Typ 240) with exactly what you are asking for, still being sold as new and supported for a number of years, with pretty much the same sensor, certainly for a controlled studio setting. So you might see an uninterrupted level of grip availability as the M (Typ 240) is decommissioned and one made available for the M10 or its variants? I certainly don't think there's any need to denigrate the great English automobile in your diatribes around the issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 8, 2017 Share #530 Posted March 8, 2017 As a British car owner -more than a dozen over five decades - I cannot say that Paul's remark was unjustified... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest )-( Posted March 9, 2017 Share #531 Posted March 9, 2017 The M3 or the Morris Marina, both assembled by hand with the utmost care and precision from the highest quality materials. Standards on assembly lines almost interchangeable between the two. It's an outrage to suggest otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted March 9, 2017 Share #532 Posted March 9, 2017 As a British car owner -more than a dozen over five decades - I cannot say that Paul's remark was unjustified... Glutton for punishment then Jaap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted March 9, 2017 Share #533 Posted March 9, 2017 Banning repetition would shut this forum down Banning repetition would shut this forum down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 9, 2017 Share #534 Posted March 9, 2017 Glutton for punishment then Jaap Sure am. I could tell some BLMC horror stories... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 9, 2017 Share #535 Posted March 9, 2017 The M3 or the Morris Marina, both assembled by hand with the utmost care and precision from the highest quality materials. Standards on assembly lines almost interchangeable between the two. It's an outrage to suggest otherwise. My "best" car was a Mini 1100. Three new engines in 35000 km... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 9, 2017 Share #536 Posted March 9, 2017 I had a Hillman Imp 998 never skipped a beat in the 2 years I owned it. The only English car I ever owned although I would have loved to own a Lotus Elan but at 1,500 quid at the time and me asa student, well no chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 9, 2017 Share #537 Posted March 9, 2017 I know I am guilty too , but if we are going to keep this up I'll have to move this part of the thread into the Bar.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
euston Posted March 9, 2017 Share #538 Posted March 9, 2017 - Video is a must on today's cameras. Strange how many extended discussions drift onto the subject of motor cars! Here’s my on-topic opinion for what it’s worth. Video was a cuckoo in the M nest. Now it’s gone. Good! Es lebe das Wesentliche! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted March 9, 2017 Share #539 Posted March 9, 2017 EVF was also a cuckoo in the M nest.... that is a slippery slope which ends up in a keyhole camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Spencer Posted March 9, 2017 Share #540 Posted March 9, 2017 EVF was also a cuckoo in the M nest.... that is a slippery slope which ends up in a keyhole camera. This one I disagree with. The EVF is very useful for macro. Much better than goggles. It is also needed if you ever use R lenses. IMO, you should be able to use at least some R lenses on the M camera. It can also be quite nice if you need to precisely focus longer lenses. All in all, a nice thing to have an the M camera, but not central to it in anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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