Leicauser7 Posted February 4, 2017 Share #1 Posted February 4, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Has anyone else encountered this -- or am i doing something stupid. Capture assistance for magnified photo peaking is set to automatic. Custom Wheel is set to EV compensation. However, when i focus, I am not getting automatic magnification in LV, and the wheel is controlling magnification even though it is set to control EV compensation. Everything worked correctly for about 5 or 10 minutes and then the software somehow seems to have "broke" and I can't get it back to the correct behavior. Am I missing something obvious? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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digitalfx Posted February 4, 2017 Share #2 Posted February 4, 2017 software flaw or operator error? ...I suspect you are on the wrong profile. no problems here...are you sure you are on the correct profile? Id suggest re saving the settings in a profile. Then make sure that profile is loaded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicauser7 Posted February 4, 2017 Author Share #3 Posted February 4, 2017 Probably error.... I have no idea what a profile is... apologies for my ignorance. If I go back into the menu and turn custom control to off and then back to exposure compensation, then it reverts to the correct behavior. However, as soon as I start to focus, the software "breaks" and the custom control wheel no longer controls EV and instead controls screen magnification. Really weird... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted February 4, 2017 Share #4 Posted February 4, 2017 first things first. Learn how to use the profiles, its a very simple concept of saving all your preferred settings. But this is not your issue. What you are describing is how its designed to work. Nothing is broken, you are asking the camera to do two things simultaneously which is just not possible. EV works separate of Focus. Once you are out of magnified view, the thumb wheel will work as you have assigned it. It cant control both at the same time. Are you using an EVF? You cant use the thumb wheel to adjust EV at the same moment you have the focus aid enabled, as it now switches to control of the focus aid for that moment. Once you finish focusing you will have control of EV changes. Just tap the shutter and now you can control the EV Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted February 4, 2017 Share #5 Posted February 4, 2017 Likely obvious, but assuming its similar to the 240, a half press on the shutter button should drop you out of focus magnification so that you can adjust EV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicauser7 Posted February 4, 2017 Author Share #6 Posted February 4, 2017 Ok, thanks. Im getting this.... albeit slowly. So tapping the shutter does cause the wheel to control the EV. However, when I focus, shouldn't the LV automatically magnify if the camera is set to automatic capture assistance? That's not happening. once I start focusing, the wheel will work to increase the focus, and then as we just described revert to controlling the EV once i tap the shutter. But numerous times when i started focusing in LV the camera would automatically magnify. Now it doesn't seem to be doing that, and I cannot figure out why... Thanks again for your help! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted February 4, 2017 Share #7 Posted February 4, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Ok, thanks. Im getting this.... albeit slowly. So tapping the shutter does cause the wheel to control the EV. However, when I focus, shouldn't the LV automatically magnify if the camera is set to automatic capture assistance? That's not happening. once I start focusing, the wheel will work to increase the focus, and then as we just described revert to controlling the EV once i tap the shutter. But numerous times when i started focusing in LV the camera would automatically magnify. Now it doesn't seem to be doing that, and I cannot figure out why... Thanks again for your help! Its all working exactly as you told it to. Your just pushing too many buttons and turning too many knobs. Slow down and understand that for every action, there is a reaction. Follow these steps: 1st- Enable focus aid- assuming you have this set to auto, this is done by turning the focus on the lens. A- NOW- you use the thumb wheel to select one of 3 magnification levels. The camera will remember the last setting...so for now just adjust it to zoom in one step. (DO NOT TOUCH THE THUMB WHEEL AGAIN UNTIL YOU ARE OUT OF MAGNIFIED VIEW). B- Now tap the shutter release. The LV will revert to normal. C- Now your thumb wheel will control EV. This is how the software is designed to work. Noting is broken except your expectations Id suggest you spend the afternoon with the manual and learn all of the functions...it only takes an hour and you will get a handle on everything. The software is pretty straight forward and simple once you get the hang of it. After you have figured this out go back to step A above and set the focus magnification to your desired level. Remember, just set this once and the camera will remember this setting each time you enable focus magnification. The thumb wheel can be used while focusing to adjust this level if you need more or less magnification, but I suggest you find the level that works for you and leave it alone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicauser7 Posted February 4, 2017 Author Share #8 Posted February 4, 2017 Ok, that is all tremendously helpful! Since you mention it, I did read most of the manual last night. It didn't seem to go into nearly the detail that you just laid out in describing the interaction between the 2 functions. Perhaps I misssed it. I will certainty read it again when I get home tonight and thank you again! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff S Posted February 4, 2017 Share #9 Posted February 4, 2017 Its all working exactly as you told it to. Your just pushing too many buttons and turning too many knobs. Slow down and understand that for every action, there is a reaction. Follow these steps: 1st- Enable focus aid- assuming you have this set to auto, this is done by turning the focus on the lens. A- NOW- you use the thumb wheel to select one of 3 magnification levels. The camera will remember the last setting...so for now just adjust it to zoom in one step. (DO NOT TOUCH THE THUMB WHEEL AGAIN UNTIL YOU ARE OUT OF MAGNIFIED VIEW). B- Now tap the shutter release. The LV will revert to normal. C- Now your thumb wheel will control EV. This is how the software is designed to work. Noting is broken except your expectations Id suggest you spend the afternoon with the manual and learn all of the functions...it only takes an hour and you will get a handle on everything. The software is pretty straight forward and simple once you get the hang of it. After you have figured this out go back to step A above and set the focus magnification to your desired level. Remember, just set this once and the camera will remember this setting each time you enable focus magnification. The thumb wheel can be used while focusing to adjust this level if you need more or less magnification, but I suggest you find the level that works for you and leave it alone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff S Posted February 4, 2017 Share #10 Posted February 4, 2017 Very well explained. This should be an addendum to the manual. Took me 20 to get my head around the concept of first leave focus aid to get back to Exposure comp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted February 4, 2017 Share #11 Posted February 4, 2017 This should go into FAQ. Due to better EVF (than M240) I guess more people will be using M10 with EVF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicauser7 Posted February 4, 2017 Author Share #12 Posted February 4, 2017 With LV... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted February 4, 2017 Share #13 Posted February 4, 2017 Has anyone else encountered this -- or am i doing something stupid. Capture assistance for magnified photo peaking is set to automatic. Custom Wheel is set to EV compensation. However, when i focus, I am not getting automatic magnification in LV, and the wheel is controlling magnification even though it is set to control EV compensation. Everything worked correctly for about 5 or 10 minutes and then the software somehow seems to have "broke" and I can't get it back to the correct behavior. Am I missing something obvious? Thanks. The same thing drove me crazy for a few hours. The automatic focus aid remembers the last rate of magnification. If it was set to "no magnification" You get no magnification if You focus in automatic focus mode setting. You only see focus peaking and - in the bottom left corner of the display - a little pictogram which hints to the rate of magnification. If it is all grey there is no magnification. If there is magnification the grey gets smaller. Elmar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted February 4, 2017 Share #14 Posted February 4, 2017 The same thing drove me crazy for a few hours. The automatic focus aid remembers the last rate of magnification. If it was set to "no magnification" You get no magnification if You focus in automatic focus mode setting. You only see focus peaking and - in the bottom left corner of the display - a little pictogram which hints to the rate of magnification. If it is all grey there is no magnification. If there is magnification the grey gets smaller. Elmar But this is by design...if it wasn't programmed this way, you would have to select the zoom rate setting each time. The key is to set it where you want it and leave it alone. Just to clarify- It remembers the last one of the 3 options (1x, 3x, 10x) not the return to normal view by tapping the shutter...so if you use it correctly, meaning; 1- enable focus aid by turning the lens if in auto or pushing the button if in Manual 2- select your preferred zoom level (in my case 3X) 3- focus 4- tap the shutter to zoom out to normal view In my example, every time I enable the focus aid it goes immediately to 3x by default (either manually or in Auto) and then returns to normal view when I tap the shutter or take an image. So as long as you don't use the thumb wheel to switch to 1x (or even 10X)...it will not default there again. But if you decide to change the magnification, there is an indicator showing you which mode you are in. I suppose they could eliminate the 1x mode to prevent the confusion...but once you understand how it works it really shouldn't be an issue. And remember, there is an indicator in the EVF that tells you which mode you are in. Also keep in mind, that you always have the option to instantly change the zoom level while shooting...its this flexibility that makes the feature extremely useful and adaptable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicauser7 Posted February 4, 2017 Author Share #15 Posted February 4, 2017 Having looked through the owners manual again, none of this seems to be described therein. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted February 4, 2017 Share #16 Posted February 4, 2017 Having looked through the owners manual again, none of this seems to be described therein. Leica manuals are notoriously bad...but the basic concept is on page 166. If you read this section and follow along with your camera in hand, it should make sense. I went into far greater detail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted February 4, 2017 Share #17 Posted February 4, 2017 But this is by design...if it wasn't programmed this way, you would have to select the zoom rate setting each time. The key is to set it where you want it and leave it alone. Just to clarify- It remembers the last one of the 3 options (1x, 3x, 10x) not the return to normal view by tapping the shutter...so if you use it correctly, meaning; 1- enable focus aid by turning the lens if in auto or pushing the button if in Manual 2- select your preferred zoom level (in my case 3X) 3- focus 4- tap the shutter to zoom out to normal view In my example, every time I enable the focus aid it goes immediately to 3x by default (either manually or in Auto) and then returns to normal view when I tap the shutter or take an image. So as long as you don't use the thumb wheel to switch to 1x (or even 10X)...it will not default there again. But if you decide to change the magnification, there is an indicator showing you which mode you are in. I suppose they could eliminate the 1x mode to prevent the confusion...but once you understand how it works it really shouldn't be an issue. And remember, there is an indicator in the EVF that tells you which mode you are in. Also keep in mind, that you always have the option to instantly change the zoom level while shooting...its this flexibility that makes the feature extremely useful and adaptable. The 1x mode is important if You want only the focus peaking as a focus aid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted February 4, 2017 Share #18 Posted February 4, 2017 The 1x mode is important if You want only the focus peaking as a focus aid. exactly why its there. But they could enable peaking on the normal view (when turned on in menu) and eliminate the redundant 1x mode if that makes sense. Personally, I like the feature exactly as it is and wouldn't change anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 4, 2017 Share #19 Posted February 4, 2017 This should go into FAQ. Due to better EVF (than M240) I guess more people will be using M10 with EVF. Somebody should start and manage an M10 FAQ. I will make it a sticky and move appropriate posts from the general M FAQ into it when I find time. Volunteers? I'll open the thread after a PM. Edit: Digitalfx has kindly offered to manage the thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted February 4, 2017 Share #20 Posted February 4, 2017 thanks Jaapv...added to FAQ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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