Eastgreenlander Posted January 26, 2017 Share #1 Posted January 26, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just a quick question. Is it postible to do over 1 minute exposure time in all iso settings? I remember the M240 having a limited exposure time on higher ISOs. I live in Greenland and like to do nothern light images. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Eastgreenlander Posted January 27, 2017 Author Share #2 Posted January 27, 2017 hallo? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steppenw0lf Posted January 27, 2017 Share #3 Posted January 27, 2017 Unfortunately I have only an additional question: Will Leica ever produce a camera without LENR ? Or at least with a switch to turn LENR off if a user does not want to use it ? Or more M10 specific can the LENR in the M10 be switched off ? Regarding the M10 I do not know, but I assume longer times (up to one hour) will be possible. (like my SL) You should download the manual and check there (it will probably be mentioned). The problem with LENR is that after the main image a second "black" image is taken to have an image for correction of the sensor noise. It is a nice idea, but doubles the time for each and every longtime exposure. (LENR = longtime exposure noise reduction) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookedart Posted January 27, 2017 Share #4 Posted January 27, 2017 Hi there, Did a quick test. Seems like the limits are 16secs at ISO 3200, 32secs at 1600. And like steppenw0lf said, Long exposure noise reduction is still not configurable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookedart Posted January 28, 2017 Share #5 Posted January 28, 2017 Sorry I realise I didn't fully answer your question. I was able to get above one minute but it's definitely ISO limited. -At ISO 100 I could get well past 2 minutes. I haven't had time to find the actual max exposure at this ISO though. -At ISO 800 it's limited to 60sec -At ISO 1600, it's limited to 32sec -At ISO 3200, it's limited to 16 sec. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted January 28, 2017 Share #6 Posted January 28, 2017 According to the data sheet, longest exposure is 125s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted January 28, 2017 Share #7 Posted January 28, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) M8...500 seconds. ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookedart Posted January 28, 2017 Share #8 Posted January 28, 2017 Yep, confirmed, 125sec is correct, @ iso 100. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookedart Posted January 28, 2017 Share #9 Posted January 28, 2017 OK here's the matrix. Found this out because theres a new T mode, accessed by holding down the focus button in bulb mode. 125 sec max - ISO 100-400 60 sec max - ISO 800 32 sec max - ISO 1600 16 sec max - ISO 3200 8 sec max - ISO 6400 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkR440 Posted January 28, 2017 Share #10 Posted January 28, 2017 I just noticed today in the store that with the M10 you need to hold down the release button on B instead of press it once to start and press it again to stop as on the M 240 or M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
honcho Posted January 28, 2017 Share #11 Posted January 28, 2017 Just a quick question. Is it postible to do over 1 minute exposure time in all iso settings? I remember the M240 having a limited exposure time on higher ISOs. I live in Greenland and like to do nothern light images. Thanks. Ah, I was about to post those same questions this morning! Both answers are helpful, the 'T' mode is going in the right direction but once again the M10 is a disappointment to me for the long exposure capability I want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastgreenlander Posted January 28, 2017 Author Share #12 Posted January 28, 2017 ok. 1600 - 32 seconds isn´t that bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
honcho Posted January 28, 2017 Share #13 Posted January 28, 2017 Hmmm, 125 secs at base iso isn't that good and the long exposure nr needs to be selectable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookedart Posted January 28, 2017 Share #14 Posted January 28, 2017 I just noticed today in the store that with the M10 you need to hold down the release button on B instead of press it once to start and press it again to stop as on the M 240 or M9. I don't think this is how Bulb works on an M240. You have to hold down on the shutter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkR440 Posted January 28, 2017 Share #15 Posted January 28, 2017 I don't think this is how Bulb works on an M240. You have to hold down on the shutter. sorry, I made a mistake. On my M240 I always used the Bulb mode together with the self timer. I just checked the manual and there it is mentioned that it works different with the self timer. If you use it without the self timer then you have to hold down on the shutter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6bit Posted February 9, 2017 Share #16 Posted February 9, 2017 OK here's the matrix. Found this out because theres a new T mode, accessed by holding down the focus button in bulb mode. 125 sec max - ISO 100-400 60 sec max - ISO 800 32 sec max - ISO 1600 16 sec max - ISO 3200 8 sec max - ISO 6400 Can we use self timer delay to create a brief few seconds between the shutter button being pressed to when the long exposure starts? Does anyone use the cable release? Using the cable release, is the M10 still bound by the above matrix? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tmuussoni Posted February 9, 2017 Share #17 Posted February 9, 2017 Can we use self timer delay to create a brief few seconds between the shutter button being pressed to when the long exposure starts? Does anyone use the cable release? Using the cable release, is the M10 still bound by the above matrix? I don't have the M10 but judging by my experience with other Leica bodies I am sure it works the same way as above matrix with cable release. Right now there is no fix for this. So it makes me wonder about something. I wonder if there is any direct way we could contact Leica and request longer bulb mode? I flooded these forums for years with M 240 about it's limitations with bulb mode. Sadly nobody listened and it did not work out as M10 still have limitations. Granted with slightly improved limitations. But I still don't see any reason why M10 could not handle long exposures just as well as every single other camera body out there. More and more I am convinced the real reason for omitting bulb mode is simply negligence. If enough of us would show interest about bringing bulb mode to M10 perhaps Leica would listen? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff S Posted February 9, 2017 Share #18 Posted February 9, 2017 I believe it relates to the sensor overheating at high ISO and long exposure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tmuussoni Posted February 9, 2017 Share #19 Posted February 9, 2017 I believe it relates to the sensor overheating at high ISO and long exposure I guess I have trouble believing in this reason anymore. It may have been true for CCD sensors where overheating issues were a serious problem. But it has not been true for many years with CMOS sensors. I am thinking it's more about Leica's inability to tolerate hot pixels. Or simple case of customer negligence. All the cameras I have used, does not matter if it's mirror-less or DSLR, none of them have had issues with hot pixels. Even if they have few hot pixels they are so easy to fix in post-processing. Leica seems to have zero tolerance for hot pixels. Even S007, which is a massive camera with massive sensor, with a massive heat sink under the sensor, also has the same weakness. Is Leica afraid that a 5 minute exposure would somehow break the camera and would generate a negative revenue? I have never heard a CMOS sensored camera stopped functioning because of long exposure. Besides if they overheat it's easy to implement an overheating protection (à la Hasselblad X1D). Assuming you don't use it in the Gobi Desert. How does Fuji/Sony/Nikon/Canon/Panasonic/Olympus can do it, but Leica cannot? If it's really the sensor overheating (CMOSis) perhaps it would be time to change the sensor manufacturer for M11... And I am really trying to be constructive here. I really wish there was a solution for this. I think there are enough of others who would want the same thing as me... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted February 9, 2017 Share #20 Posted February 9, 2017 The SL is limited to 30 minutes ....... but I have yet to find anyone with the patience to wait another 30 minutes for the NR frame to be taken ........ better than the rest of the Leica digitals but still bonkers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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