wattsy Posted January 28, 2017 Share #81 Posted January 28, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Probably to early to ask, yet for those who have a M10 now and who,have upgraded from the M240 i know there are no regrets in the decision yet with what seems like a glut of used M240 out there now for 50% off there initial price is the new M10 "worth it" especially for people who are not high ISO shooters and can live with up to 1600 ISO Don't get me wrong I realize the whole Leica price proposition doesn't really apply and "value" for the money is in this case in the eye of the beholder, I get it the M10 is supper cool and I would love to have one if money was no object, yet for me I really want to keep both my SL and my S 006 they all have there purposes just as the M has its place also. I have seen all the comparisons in terms of IQ, DR, and ISO performance and clearly the M10 is an evolution product for Leica as the M240 has been out for quite some time. There are needs and wants in all of life. As photographers we all seem to want the latest gear and for some it is necessary to upgrade especially with all the recent comments about the high ISO performance of the M10 it is clearly better then the older M240 and for some that makes the decision simple.. Upgrade ASAP and don't look back, yet what about the rest of us? Just saying.. Felt out of breath after reading that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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otto.f Posted January 28, 2017 Share #82 Posted January 28, 2017 75Summilux on M10. Yeah it could be a bit oversaturated in Tungsten light, but wasn't for instance Kodak EliteChrom oversaturated? It's not more than that here Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/268614-first-impressions-m10/?do=findComment&comment=3199126'>More sharing options...
Mikeleica Posted January 28, 2017 Share #83 Posted January 28, 2017 On the black body I wish they would have black anodized the extended portion of the lens mount, it seems to really stick out now that they have had to make it essentially longer in order to make the body it self thinner. Nothing a little black gaffer's tape won't fix I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted January 28, 2017 Share #84 Posted January 28, 2017 Rick, I am most interested in the new viewfinder. In your professional opinion would it help us who are of low vision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 29, 2017 Author Share #85 Posted January 29, 2017 Rick, I am most interested in the new viewfinder. In your professional opinion would it help us who are of low vision. Pico - Low vision is a broad label. But, I might comment that anybody having even vision problems like early Macular Degeneration or early Cataract may not be able to detect any change in the RF other than the frame lines are easier to locate (not see) and the eye relief is better. So, in general, I'd say no. Too subtle of a change for a person with low vision. Sorry. Folks, RF users really need 20/20 vision or better. That means very little uncorrected Astigmatism. Correct glasses or contacts. Older users need to add +0.50 to their view finder over their distance glasses or contacts. Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted January 29, 2017 Share #86 Posted January 29, 2017 That war not nice, Rick. I am an older user, because I need +0.50. But: This is 0.50 less than with the M262, so the M10 made me younger. Elmar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted January 29, 2017 Share #87 Posted January 29, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Otto, Thanks for the post. I agree with all of that. The strap with a little time or some saddle soap could be quite nice, huh? I see you have an MM. How do the M10 files compare and contrast to the MM. I kind of like the monochrome setting. Rick I cannot compare directly at the moment because my MM1-sensor is being changed at the moment. However, my first impression is - that the B&W conversion from the M10 is much more resilient than from the M9, which was already the case with the M240, apart from the higher ISO of course - the special noise/grain of the M10 in higher ISO's is attractive, although I don't think that the MM1 or M10 is better here, just different. - I will not sell my MM1 because at first sight it seems to have more detailed and outspoken distinctions between greyvalues - I am glad to have the M10 in cases I can't or won't carry two bodies, because B&W conversion feels less as a compromise than with the M9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted January 29, 2017 Share #88 Posted January 29, 2017 You're welcome. The color is fantastic - no problem with yellow in ver. 6.8. Actually, you should thank Jono. I believe there are a lot of these yellow photos out there on the net. Like Steve Huff's color and high ISO review where he actually liked it? Glad we got to the bottom of this issue. Rick As in dpreview which are even worse and not at all comparable to my experience Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted January 29, 2017 Share #89 Posted January 29, 2017 I've found one drop of vinagre to pee , in comparison to the M9: the bottomplate. I like the left of the M10-bottomplate with the round knob instead of the vertical on the M9, which is much more original M from M4 onwards. However at the right side I prefer the M9 which has a somewhat bigger and grippier handle to unlock the plate, which is also more original M, with the turn of one quarter of a circle. Perhaps the new handle saved weight? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted January 29, 2017 Share #90 Posted January 29, 2017 You're welcome. The color is fantastic - no problem with yellow in ver. 6.8. Actually, you should thank Jono. I believe there are a lot of these yellow photos out there on the net. Like Steve Huff's color and high ISO review where he actually liked it? Glad we got to the bottom of this issue. Rick Here is the same Summilux75 shot as above, but instead of C1, developed in LR-last version, both without any postprocessing. I let the reader decide Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/268614-first-impressions-m10/?do=findComment&comment=3199405'>More sharing options...
don daniel Posted January 29, 2017 Share #91 Posted January 29, 2017 I would like to repeat my question: Is it possible to adjust the strength of noise reduction applied to the JPGs in the camera? It would be very nice if someone could check and post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted January 29, 2017 Share #92 Posted January 29, 2017 No not possible via Menu in camera Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted January 29, 2017 Share #93 Posted January 29, 2017 Some scattered finds and impressions after my first day of shooting with the m10: Haven’t found a good foolproof way to raise/unlock the ISO dial in a manner that feels intuitive to me. Seems to always involve a fingernail, which is not ideal if you're wearing gloves. don't try it with one finger, use two fingers, your left index and middle finger, 130 - 160degrees from each other under the knob. this way it is suddenly easier than you thought Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted January 30, 2017 Share #94 Posted January 30, 2017 I would like to repeat my question: Is it possible to adjust the strength of noise reduction applied to the JPGs in the camera? It would be very nice if someone could check and post. But you can bring the standard noise reduction in LR or C1 down to zero Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
don daniel Posted January 30, 2017 Share #95 Posted January 30, 2017 But you can bring the standard noise reduction in LR or C1 down to zero I know, but it is too late if you want to use JPG only, because you cannot undo what the jpg engine has done. The only possibility to get a file not or less affected by noise reduction will be to shoot DNG. Since I got the impression that JPGs out of cam are really usable, a lot better than from the M9 and M240, because colours are more natural, it would be nice to use JPGs without a DNG backup. I hope Leica will take care of noise reduction adjustment in the next firmware. But first I would be happy if my dealer could sell me an M10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neko Posted January 30, 2017 Share #96 Posted January 30, 2017 Today I tested the camera at my local dealer. Long story short: I´m hooked...Dammit!! I took about 200 shots inside and outside the shop. Several ISO settings. under-exposing, over-exposing... Currently I own the MM1 and Canon 5DII. After playing with the files a little in Lr, these are my initial thoughts: Dynamic range is much better than my 5DII and close to my MM1. I find the files very workable. The detail in the shadows is easy to recover when underexposing. The highlights is another story. Better to be careful there. High ISO capabilities are fantastic, close to my MM1. The noise is not ugly at all. 6400 is totally usable and 25000 is not bad if the exposure is spot on. The camera feels very nice in the hand, better than my MM1. Easier to focus too. I love the ISO dial, very handy. A bit difficult to unlock though. Maybe just a question of practice. All in all I love the camera and thinking seriously about getting one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted January 30, 2017 Share #97 Posted January 30, 2017 Folks, RF users really need 20/20 vision or better. That means very little uncorrected Astigmatism. Correct glasses or contacts. Older users need to add +0.50 to their view finder over their distance glasses or contacts. not taking issue with your advice on the M10 or previous questions but I would disagree with the 20/20 comment My right eye is not as good as my left but I still focus fine with a RF with my right eye. Its relative focus, i.e. as long as your eyes are good enough to determine the difference between the contrast ping and either side you are good to go ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted January 30, 2017 Share #98 Posted January 30, 2017 not taking issue with your advice on the M10 or previous questions but I would disagree with the 20/20 comment Yes, agreed. Like Colonel I wouldn't quibble with any of your expert advice about eyes but don't agree with the idea that a Leica RF requires especially good eyesight to get along with and I hope your point about 20/20 doesn't put anyone off buying a Leica. Maybe my eyesight isn't that bad (though I do have astigmatism in both eyes and have different pairs of glasses for reading and distance) but I have never had a problem focussing and composing a Leica RF without my glasses. It is true that things sharpen up a bit if I do wear my glasses but I don't feel that I lose any meaningful accuracy without them for the kind of lenses I typically use on a day to day basis (28 to 50). Nor did I have a problem with the Noctilux when I owned it (though I don't think that is a particularly demanding lens because of the 1m close focus) but I acknowledge I'd probably put my glasses on for the 75 Summicron, if I still owned that, or my 90 Macro if I am using the goggles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coup de foudre Posted January 30, 2017 Share #99 Posted January 30, 2017 not taking issue with your advice on the M10 or previous questions but I would disagree with the 20/20 comment Actually, I'm pretty damned blind and have a mild astigmatism (that used to help my sight but isn't any more now that I'm getting, ahem, older). Even with my contacts, I can't see 20/20. Never have, never will... And yet I am never happier than when shooting a rangefinder. Then again, not all my shots are spot on -- but, if they're close enough and the content is good, it doesn't fuss me that I haven't achieved perfection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 30, 2017 Share #100 Posted January 30, 2017 Is Walter Eyepiece still around? He used to make Leica M eyepieces to your full prescription including astigmatism. EDIT: I found mine for the M9. Looks like his website is still up, but hasn't been updated since 2011. I just sent an email. http://walterrxeyepiece.com Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/268614-first-impressions-m10/?do=findComment&comment=3200492'>More sharing options...
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