cookedart Posted February 11, 2017 Share #101 Posted February 11, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Is that really necessary? I would rather keep the info lean and not clutter up the display. If I need to know this, I look on my computer, not the camera. Yes, I do. Rarely, but there are times where it comes in very handy. The M240 did it by toggling through displays. The current, "all info" display doesn't show this. Not saying you should overlay it all the time to get in the way of the image, at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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edw Posted February 11, 2017 Share #102 Posted February 11, 2017 Don't say lossless is not lossless unless you read the DNG spec and actually look at the computer algorithms. We computer people know what we are talking about when we say lossless. This issue, I have found, is akin to the anti-vaccination cause among Leica owners: un-amenable to reason, logic, statistics, research, and so forth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted February 11, 2017 Share #103 Posted February 11, 2017 well I stated one above...keep the display about the image. Do you really keep old images on your camera? Ive never once needed to know this info for the images in my camera...now my hard drive is another story. If you don't need to know the info then don't press the d-pad button in play mode. Your usage doesn't dictate mine, and possibly many others. Edit: can someone confirm that you can't get extra info about the pic in play mode by pressing info button? M240 tells you date time, dng or jpeg and lens used. I will be surprised (and disappointed if M10 doesn't do that). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted February 11, 2017 Share #104 Posted February 11, 2017 If you don't need to know the info then don't press the d-pad button in play mode. Your usage doesn't dictate mine, and possibly many others. but I do press the info button for my exposure details. I guess I'm just weird...but I already know the date. Its either yesterday or today. All my other images have been transferred to my drive where they belong. Personally I hope Leica leaves this alone...but thats just my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted February 11, 2017 Share #105 Posted February 11, 2017 Edit: can someone confirm that you can't get extra info about the pic in play mode by pressing info button? M240 tells you date time, dng or jpeg and lens used. I will be surprised (and disappointed if M10 doesn't do that). you don't even know if it exists and your complaining about it? Maybe you should try the camera first. All of the important info is displayed and it doesn't interrupt the image...its an extremely well done interface. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted February 11, 2017 Share #106 Posted February 11, 2017 you don't even know if it exists and your complaining about it? Maybe you should try the camera first. All of the important info is displayed and it doesn't interrupt the image...its an extremely well done interface. Am I complaining? Reading comprehension issue? I asked a question on how M10 play works compared to M240. And going by this thread's title, my question is very relevant. The info button does different thing in play more vs shoot mode. I asked a question about how it is different than M240. I don't have to try the camera first before asking a question. If you don't have the answer then let others answer it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted February 11, 2017 Share #107 Posted February 11, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) but I do press the info button for my exposure details. I guess I'm just weird...but I already know the date. Its either yesterday or today. All my other images have been transferred to my drive where they belong. Personally I hope Leica leaves this alone...but thats just my opinion. I am talking about pressing info button in play mode. Read carefully before blasting back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted February 11, 2017 Share #108 Posted February 11, 2017 I am talking about pressing info button in play mode. Read carefully before blasting back. yes, exactly...so am I. The info screen on playback displays info on lens, exposure, etc. relevant data needed while shooting. The date...not so much. Its a camera afterall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted February 11, 2017 Share #109 Posted February 11, 2017 Well I like to see the date, and time...on playback. I don't download often...perhaps once a fortnight, or even less. all best... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted February 11, 2017 Share #110 Posted February 11, 2017 I wonder what is the rationale for omitting date time info in playback mode. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dempski Posted February 11, 2017 Share #111 Posted February 11, 2017 I find date and time are critical for linking to my journal or itinerary when travelling for long periods of time without being able to download. The bigger the memory card, the more important this onscreen notation becomes. In nature photography, location is often discerned by knowing when you were at a certain place, not always by visual cues on a tiny viewfinder. For example, did I capture the tidal marsh at Brazoria on this sweep down the coast? Yes, I have a picture from Tuesday morning, and I was there then. Some people catalog by location, others by subject, and still others by time and date. I realize the info can clutter the viewfinder, but for me, it is essential to know. I vote to make it an option. On a broader topic, I am growing concerned that many of the comments question why people use the various features on a camera, not how. If Leica sets its direction by polling a set of photographers who don’t use the features creatively or to their limits, we’ll end up with a glorified snapshot camera that becomes inconvenient to large segment of the customer base. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted February 11, 2017 Share #112 Posted February 11, 2017 ... On a broader topic, I am growing concerned that many of the comments question why people use the various features on a camera, not how. If Leica sets its direction by polling a set of photographers who don’t use the features creatively or to their limits, we’ll end up with a glorified snapshot camera that becomes inconvenient to large segment of the customer base. The risk is real. However, if a camera manufacturer was to include every feature used by specialists in some very particular scenarios, the camera likely would become overwhelmed with options and settings which in turn would be likely to confuse all but the most determined user. I think the discussions about why someone would need or prefer one particular function very useful as it tends to broaden my horizon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dempski Posted February 11, 2017 Share #113 Posted February 11, 2017 The risk is real. However, if a camera manufacturer was to include every feature used by specialists in some very particular scenarios, the camera likely would become overwhelmed with options and settings which in turn would be likely to confuse all but the most determined user. I think the discussions about why someone would need or prefer one particular function very useful as it tends to broaden my horizon. I agree that too many features becomes a problem. An accessible record of date and time, for me, falls in the essential, not the superfluous, category. Regarding discussions, this may be a language and context thing for some of us. When people ask why are you doing something, it often sounds accusatory or questioning one's motive or common sense, but when asking how they are using something, it comes across as interest in learning what they are doing. I think you and I are after the same thing, but might ask the question differently. For some, this may be a distinction without a difference, but to others, it sets the tone for the answer: they are defensive because the question feels snarky or condescending. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Mandeville Posted February 11, 2017 Share #114 Posted February 11, 2017 Personally, I have no need for the date/time information in camera preview. It is irrelevant information for me at that point in time. That information is available when I need it, on my computer. However, I do understand why others may find the information useful in camera. Seems like an easy firmware fix to provide options to customize the preview screen to satisfy everyone. Some have asked for options on the size of the histogram, for example. All of this is software driven and it should be no big deal for Leica to provide customization options in firmware updates should they choose to do so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted February 11, 2017 Share #115 Posted February 11, 2017 Personally, I have no need for the date/time information in camera preview. It is irrelevant information for me at that point in time. That information is available when I need it, on my computer. However, I do understand why others may find the information useful in camera. Seems like an easy firmware fix to provide options to customize the preview screen to satisfy everyone. Some have asked for options on the size of the histogram, for example. All of this is software driven and it should be no big deal for Leica to provide customization options in firmware updates should they choose to do so. I agree to add it is an easy solution...but what Leica has accomplished with the M10 is to simplify. The interface and the menu structure are key to this and this is one of the things that makes it so special IMO. If you compare the M240 and the M10, there is now nearly half the buttons and half as many menu selections and depth. Its back to the essentials, do we really want (or need) all that back and if so where does it stop? It is something to consider. So my questions remain...is it really essential data for shooting? Does it help you while shooting? Because this is a camera...not a file reviewer. What I love about the M10 is the back to basics design. I would encourage everyone clamoring for features to be added to please try the camera first. It seem like all those that are most vocal are the ones that don't even own the camera. Reserve your opinions until you have tried it and you may actually like it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted February 11, 2017 Share #116 Posted February 11, 2017 And the reason why many don't own the camera (yet) is because of the little things we lose (subject of the thread) with M10 compared to M240. What's wrong with voicing our opinion? And the way I see it, the comments in this thread are very reasonable. No one is arguing to make M10 like a Sony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Q Wong Jr. Posted February 11, 2017 Share #117 Posted February 11, 2017 I want to confirm that the time and date is no longer displayed when in play mode. But if you use the wheel to zoom out, to view several thumbnails at the same time, you will see the time and date of each individual image there as you scroll through them. So all is well. (I'm a twilight photographer, so time & date stamps are very important to me in the field. They help me look back and see the exact date and time an image was taken, allow me to return to the same spot during the same trip to try again. I understand of course that it may be less important or even irrelevant to others. So I'm glad the smart folks at Leica found a compromise.) If you don't need to know the info then don't press the d-pad button in play mode. Your usage doesn't dictate mine, and possibly many others. Edit: can someone confirm that you can't get extra info about the pic in play mode by pressing info button? M240 tells you date time, dng or jpeg and lens used. I will be surprised (and disappointed if M10 doesn't do that). Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted February 11, 2017 Share #118 Posted February 11, 2017 I want to confirm that the time and date is no longer displayed when in play mode. But if you use the wheel to zoom out, to view several thumbnails at the same time, you will see the time and date of each individual image there as you scroll through them. So all is well. (I'm a twilight photographer, so time & date stamps are very important to me in the field. They help me look back and see the exact date and time an image was taken, allow me to return to the same spot during the same trip to try again. I understand of course that it may be less important or even irrelevant to others. So I'm glad the smart folks at Leica found a compromise.) Nice find!!! Thanks Leica...the M10 design is just brilliant. adding to FAQ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted February 11, 2017 Share #119 Posted February 11, 2017 And the reason why many don't own the camera (yet) is because of the little things we lose (subject of the thread) with M10 compared to M240. What's wrong with voicing our opinion? And the way I see it, the comments in this thread are very reasonable. No one is arguing to make M10 like a Sony. Absolutely nothing wrong with voicing your opinion, I just asked that you reserve final judgment until you try the camera. You seem to have issues with my opinion as well for some reason. Leica cant make the perfect camera that pleases everyone...its simply impossible as this thread has shown. Honestly to suggest you aren't buying the camera because these little things are missing is kinda silly. Does a perfect camera exist? If its the M240, then Leica still makes that. 'Keep in mind, this is just my opinion. Your opinion is obviously different. But if Leica put everything that was in the M240 back in the M10 I would have probably stayed with the SL. I was never fully comfortable with the M240 which was the reason I sold it. The M10 (in my opinion) is a major shift to the core of what the M is about...to simplify. Im a filmmaker, and would love to have video functionality in the M...I was very disappointed when it was announced and the feature was omitted. But after owning the camera for just a few days I have changed my mind...I think this is the best digital M ever made. It is a combination of things, the simplicity, the speed, the size. Leica has hit a home run with this camera. Time will tell, but based on current preorders I think this will probably be the best selling digital M yet. Based on Roberts post above it seems to all be for nothing anyway. BTW @jmahto...your photography is excellent, the landscapes are just stunning. Are these all from the M240? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted February 11, 2017 Share #120 Posted February 11, 2017 Not sure if this has already been mentioned but It would great if the RGB histogram would come back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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