jaapv Posted January 21, 2017 Share #121 Posted January 21, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Is Sean Reid's site now readable with iOS devices? I always liked his reviews and had several years of subscription but ended that when my reading habits changed towards an iPad. In a few decades time the M240 will be remembered as the M5 digital. Leica engineers had some good ideas and crammed a lot of tech into a slightly bloated camera and the character it lost in the meantime was resurrected with the wonderful M4 and later M6. The M10 does look a bit like an M6 to me ;-) Too bad I missed the M10 by just a few weeks, having left from an Europe trip earlier otherwise that horrid M246 would have been gone and I could twirl my ISOs all day long the way I like it :-) You M10 users have fun! Yes it is. The site has been hugely improved. I don't think the M240 can be compared to the M5. The M5 was a sales disaster, the M240 a huge success. For good reason too. The M5 only gained appreciation decades later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 Hi jaapv, Take a look here Survey: Interested in the new Leica M10?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
IkarusJohn Posted January 21, 2017 Share #122 Posted January 21, 2017 I wonder what the M10-P will be like. Let's see - no red dot, classic script on the top deck, sapphire glass and a bigger buffer, maybe? Black paint? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted January 21, 2017 Share #123 Posted January 21, 2017 Thanks, but I'm curious whether you are also selling the MM? _______________ Alone in Bangkok essay on BURN Magazine Well, trade it for the M10. I got it purely for the higher ISO, which the M10 makes irrelevant (and just to experience it). I really shoot too high a % of color to get the value out of a monochrome-only camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted January 21, 2017 Share #124 Posted January 21, 2017 Let's see - ... Black paint? aha !! That's the one for me then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted January 21, 2017 Share #125 Posted January 21, 2017 Actually I was sort of interested but my main objections are: - reduced battery life, - no video (not that I would use it much) The second point is more important than I would have thought. Technically with the type of sensor used adding video should be easy. Is analogous to selling a car without a heating system because the manufacturer tells you that you should only drive it in warm weather. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toyfel Posted January 21, 2017 Share #126 Posted January 21, 2017 No, will not buy the M10 even though I think Leica did a good job and successfully made many improvements Leica M users have been asking for. It makes me wonder though seeing that a Fuji GFX 50S medium format camera + lens + viewfinder can be had for about the same or even less money than a similar Leica M10 set-up including a lens and EVF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert blu Posted January 21, 2017 Share #127 Posted January 21, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Since the M8 launch I was never convinced of the digital Ms because of various reasons, I kept waiting for something more similar to what I wanted. Now here we are, this is! Will I buy it soon? No, I'm not en early adapter but in a few months...my M7 could have some rest... robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambot-M Posted January 21, 2017 Share #128 Posted January 21, 2017 Not with a Nikon DSLR.I guess I will have to wait it out. One of my friends has a Sony system. Have seen some adapters to mount m system to E mount. Will check it out.. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted January 21, 2017 Share #129 Posted January 21, 2017 Handled it today and like the evolutionary improvements and the "reduced to the max" approach. If it was 100 g lighter I'd order one. Maybe a 262 M10 equivalent will fill the 550 gram light version desire in 2 years. Until then, my first batch M9 will continue to deliver. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 21, 2017 Share #130 Posted January 21, 2017 If it were really "reduced to the max" or "concentrating on the essentials" in a way that made proper sense, it should also cost less than the luxury product it has become. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAG Posted January 21, 2017 Share #131 Posted January 21, 2017 I have both SL and M240. I didn't move up to an M240-P although I miss the frame line lever. Don't see what an M10-P would add, so I think the poll is a bit mis worded. My guess is that the M10 would be a natural move up for those who are still using their M9. So I would want to see two options where there is now only one: O no, I'm staisfied with my M240 O no, I'm staisfied with my M9 scott I concur. Large VF is a plus (I miss the fantastic large VF of the little Zeiss Ikon RF camera). For the rest, if I bought another Leica body, it would be the SL. But for the time being, M7 + M240 suit my need in 24/36. P.S. : Having large hands, I really prefer heavier/thicker M240 body to M7's, which at least with Noctilux and 75 mm proves more balanced. With anything between 28 and 50, it's another thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eesand Posted January 21, 2017 Share #132 Posted January 21, 2017 Tough. I have M-P 240 with a set of lenses from 21 to 90. and the Q. I was hoping for the Q/SL sensor primarily in the new M. The physical differences for me are incremental. I got hold of M10 dng files to try and obtain a "sense" of the M10 sensor properties, it also is incremental from what I have. Will I at some point get the M10? Yes. Right away? No. When? Not quite sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante Posted January 21, 2017 Share #133 Posted January 21, 2017 Andreas, when you discuss this poll with Leica, could you also mention that there is a group of M240 users who do appreciate the higher functionality and would appreciate a further development of the 240 series, parallel to the M10? I could imagine a processor/EVF upgrade, higher specified sensor, enhanced Video, etc in the M240 body size, for instance. The SL is not an alternative as it is EVF only. I agree. I'm not looking for a thinner camera, but going backwards on battery life and a spirit level in the EVF are dealbreakers. As is changing the control layout. Owning a 240 and a 246, everything is supremely functional for wide-angle work. And consistent. Dante Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted January 21, 2017 Share #134 Posted January 21, 2017 I stuck with M9's and Monochroms, so the M10 looks very intersting. I was never tempted by the 240 -- don't do video and who would shoot video seriously without zooms ? ... Just a side note: Many if not most cinema professionals work primarily with prime cine lenses ... Leica offers a whole (excellent) set of them. Manual focus only (not rangefinder coupled, but geared focusing rings for precise operation), stepless aperture setting, superb rendering quality. Zoom lenses are used a great deal in motion capture when doing news and sports work, much less in other kinds of work. Amateurs shooting video of family and friends rely a lot on zoom lenses and continuous autofocus, but to anyone serious about doing cinematography such things are often quite useless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliberate1 Posted January 21, 2017 Share #135 Posted January 21, 2017 Took my M9 in yesterday for sensor replacement and had some hands on time with the M10. I'll keep my M9 because I love the look of CCD and can afford to keep it. If I find myself not using it, it'll go to my son..... The printed files in the store were gorgeous. Funny but I was contemplating the same disposition of my M9 - passing it onto my 28 year old son who is developing a critical eye for making images. It is a great delight to see one's progeny cultivate a photographer's visual appreciation of the world around. I got my M9 five years ago and shot it as my only box until an S 006 made its way into my hands in November 2015. It is a beautiful machine, especially for contemplative work on a tripod. Frankly, whether due to eyesight or simply poor technique, I missed many decisive moment opportunities with the M9. Or because it was simply too dark to nail it, or I had to bump the ISO to levels pushing or exceeding the CCD limits. As I like to say, the M9 is the perfect camera for perfect conditions. But the most interesting images often present themselves in less than ideal ways. If the M10 truly boasts a two stop advantage over the M240, which has a two stop premium over the M9, that would bust wide open the shooting envelope for me. Especially if the reported improved OVF lets me see what i am focusing on. I have no experience with the EVF which, perhaps, is a better option for low light focusing. I have no idea. I would be interested to hear your impressions of the M10 viewfinder vs the M9, and especially your perceptions of the image you saw. After all, the proof is in the printing. Many thanks. Cheers. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlockwood Posted January 21, 2017 Share #136 Posted January 21, 2017 I would wait for the M10-P because a Leica M should have the traditional Leica script and no Red Dot! I'm not in any hurry... I'm more than happy with my M240P. But I would trade it in for the P version of the M10... The only M body I would have bought today would have been a EVF M for my 90 Elmarit and a 21 SEM, to go with my M240P For my 35 FLE and 50 Lux in a two body system My M9-P of course, has a sapphire screen, while the M10 has a gorilla glass screen. How does the GG compare to sapphire in terms of maintenance? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlockwood Posted January 21, 2017 Share #137 Posted January 21, 2017 Is Sean Reid's site now readable with iOS devices? I always liked his reviews and had several years of subscription but ended that when my reading habits changed towards an iPad. In a few decades time the M240 will be remembered as the M5 digital. Leica engineers had some good ideas and crammed a lot of tech into a slightly bloated camera and the character it lost in the meantime was resurrected with the wonderful M4 and later M6. The M10 does look a bit like an M6 to me ;-) Too bad I missed the M10 by just a few weeks, having left from an Europe trip earlier otherwise that horrid M246 would have been gone and I could twirl my ISOs all day long the way I like it :-) You M10 users have fun! What was so horrid about the M246? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted January 21, 2017 Share #138 Posted January 21, 2017 I realized it had been long enough since last I used the M-P with the EVF fitted that I couldn't rightly remember the nuances of using it. So I pulled it out, fitted the EVF, fitted the WATE and set framing to 1:1 (a typical configuration I use on the SL all the time) and tried to use it. I put it down two minutes later, and put it all away. The viewfinder doesn't hold a candle to the SL, but that's not really the issue. The issue is simple and just what I've been saying all along: I don't like it much because there's nowhere to hold it comfortably. The buttons and the LCD on the back take up so much space that I'm trying to juggle it much like I have to juggle to hold an iPhone—there's no place for my fingers!—and I just don't like using it that way. Compared to the M-D and the SL which I can pick up and put down easily, which I can hold securely and without stress in any number of ways, that large LCD and the buttons all over the place just makes the M-P unergonomic for me. When an "M-D10" or "M10D" appears, sans LCD and all the bloody buttons on the back, I'll be first in line due to the optical viewfinder and the improved sensor. But until then, I'm absolutely delighted with the M-D and have no interest in buying a new one. I guess I'll just have to put that money towards a used Noctilux, eh? :angel: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted January 21, 2017 Share #139 Posted January 21, 2017 My M9-P of course, has a sapphire screen, while the M10 has a gorilla glass screen. How does the GG compare to sapphire in terms of maintenance? Identical, for all intents and purposes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 21, 2017 Share #140 Posted January 21, 2017 Actually I was sort of interested but my main objections are: - reduced battery life, - no video (not that I would use it much) The second point is more important than I would have thought. Technically with the type of sensor used adding video should be easy. Is analogous to selling a car without a heating system because the manufacturer tells you that you should only drive it in warm weather. yes adding video would be easy and I too wish it wasn't left out, but the sacrifices aren't worth it. What will make the M10 a success will be the benefits gained by dropping it, and the superior build quality. I would actually use the video significantly more than most, but its omission imo is what makes the M10 great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.