Lax Jought Posted February 26, 2017 Share #181 Posted February 26, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm wondering if many people use ANY Leica for video. I posted a question about video auto-focus in the SL forum 2 days ago without a response. But ask about the summilux 50 SL for stills and the replies keep pouring in. I'm a video guy and I don't use my M240 for video. But that's mainly because the video function really isn't very good. I would absolutely use it if it was better implemented. As for the SL - Leica seems to be aiming some of promotional activity (for its video function) towards the younger generation which might be a miss. The younger generation are less likely to have the cash to spend on the SL when they far better and cheaper options from other vendors who have a larger marketplace presence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lax Jought Posted February 26, 2017 Share #182 Posted February 26, 2017 I missed the humor. Feeling embarrassed to ask but can you please explain. I think Carling Black Label is a very expensive and top of the line bourbon or brandy or something. Which is a reference to the purist talk we've been having because if you're a purist, you'll only want the purest, most expensive drink.... or something along those lines. I am a mere beer drinker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted February 26, 2017 Share #183 Posted February 26, 2017 I think Carling Black Label is a very expensive and top of the line bourbon or brandy or something. Which is a reference to the purist talk we've been having because if you're a purist, you'll only want the purest, most expensive drink.... or something along those lines. I am a mere beer drinker. Some may disagree but CBL is rubbish lager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted February 26, 2017 Share #184 Posted February 26, 2017 Some may disagree but CBL is rubbish lager. That's what I thought too. I brew my own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted February 26, 2017 Share #185 Posted February 26, 2017 I think Carling Black Label is a very expensive and top of the line bourbon or brandy or something. Which is a reference to the purist talk we've been having because if you're a purist, you'll only want the purest, most expensive drink.... or something along those lines. I am a mere beer drinker. Well, I generally don't drink beer... but if I do.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 26, 2017 Share #186 Posted February 26, 2017 Outback? What outback? If I'm going somewhere hot and dry, I'm not taking a video camera, a large format camera and an M series camera and lenses, tripods and all the rest. I'll take the SL. Talk about inventing something to make a bad point! Ah, I didn't say you had said you were offended, nor did I say anything about people being offended by the M3 - do try to keep up, Jaap. If you're going to contribute to a discussion (if your posts really are contribution) please try to respond to what is actually being said. If anyone is an expert at rewriting history, it's you (how perfect was the EVF for the M(240) when released?). Pfft! Which I never said - the word I used for the EVF was acceptable. And I won't take an SL. Much to lumpy. There are better options out there. A bit surprised though, that an Australian has to ask "what outback"... As for the M3 and offended, you brought it up, not me... The M3, however, wasn't imbued with labels like purist when released. even if I really wanted video and was offended by the ISO dial. Age makes forgetful, I guess... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted February 27, 2017 Share #187 Posted February 27, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Australian? Wash your mouth out! I think you need to Google "Auckland" ... (also, your memory of saying "acceptable" about the EVF-2 is not quite accurate, Jaap - but that is neither here nor there, really as we're talking about the M10) I thought you asked what I would take into the outback, not what you would take? I am going to Israel, which can be hot and dusty - I'm taking the SL, 24-90 zoom and a couple of M primes (21-28-50, probably). Perfect! I get compact fast primes and a very good zoom for when I don't mind having a larger camera. No advantage in having an M at all, and the zoom is pretty good for when I need it. The SL, with Noct, handles better than with the M and I get almost no purple fringing, the 28 Summilux is better on the SL than the M (see Sean Reid) and the 21 handles better on the SL and I don't need a clip-on viewfinder. What's not to like? As for the M3, are you saying it was considered purist when it was released? I don't get your point. The reason I raised it was to point out that the "purist" label is a recent thing; primarily because when you buy a digital camera these days, most of them come free with phones; if you actually buy a camera rather than a phone, you get everything God (okay, man) made possible with it (see Sony A7 series and a whole host of APS, M4/3 and other cameras I couldn't name); Leica is unusual in this era because it omits so much from the M and has none of the free add-ons other camera makers provide. Hence, people criticising the M10 for being "purist". The M3 suffered no such criticism (or at least none that I am aware of) because mainstream cameras of that era (hence my reference to the Bessa and Retina) were still coming to grips with interchangeable lenses and viewfinders. Some had meters (the Bessa had a photovoltaic meter, which was pretty poor), but the Nikon F was yet to be released. When it came out in 1959, it blew the M3 out of the water. Are you saying that the M3 was also considered a purist camera when released in 1954? I'm not at all sure how you think I'm re-writing history here, Jaap ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 27, 2017 Share #188 Posted February 27, 2017 Misreading points here I see... The M3 was controversial when released. mainly because the thread mount was replaced by a bayonet. Hence the iiig. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lucan Posted February 27, 2017 Share #189 Posted February 27, 2017 I missed the humor. Feeling embarrassed to ask but can you please explain. People of UK are familiar with it. In short, its about humorous ad campaign back in days by Carling (Black Label) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted February 27, 2017 Share #190 Posted February 27, 2017 Misreading points here I see... The M3 was controversial when released. mainly because the thread mount was replaced by a bayonet. Hence the iiig. Yes, I think I recall that. Not sure how that makes the M3 a "purist" camera in the sense referred to here in 1953. At risk of boring you to death, the point I don't seem to have got across is that the M3 when it was released was not considered "purist" in the same way the the M10 is in 2017 ... It's not that is wasn't controversial - i said nothing about that. Put another way, the M3 with the bayonet mount and coupled rangefinder and 3 framelines was a refinement of available technology in 1953, very well packaged; possibly controversial for existing Leica users (nothing new there); reasonably innovative, but not bleeding edge state of the art. The only thing missing at that time, I guess, was a built in meter. In 2017, the M10, with manual lenses, aperture on the barrel, shutter speed on the top deck, same M mount as the M3 and coupled rangefinder (but with a meter, aperture priority and a digital sensor), is considered purist (Leica would prefer to describe it as a camera limited to the Essentials). That is all. Your comment about re-writing history to suit my argument was completely unwarranted, totally unrelated to the point I was making and untrue ... I made no suggestion that the M3 wasn't controversial (I guess to a bunch of cardigan wearing, pipe smoking IIIg owners who thought television was the work of the Devil). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lucan Posted February 27, 2017 Share #191 Posted February 27, 2017 ........ The reason I raised it was to point out that the "purist" label is a recent thing; primarily because when you buy a digital camera these days, most of them come free with phones; if you actually buy a camera rather than a phone, you get everything God (okay, man) made possible with it (see Sony A7 series and a whole host of APS, M4/3 and other cameras I couldn't name); Leica is unusual in this era because it omits so much from the M and has none of the free add-ons other camera makers provide. Hence, people criticising the M10 for being "purist"......... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Agreed. I am sure Leica will add video feature to some models. Or they should come up with a new brand name something like Leicom or Leicam to distinguish between "purists" and "non purists" cameras. Like Toyota and Lexus, both cooked in the same magic pan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Mandeville Posted February 27, 2017 Share #192 Posted February 27, 2017 I think all the film M's were "purist" cameras in the sense that purist is being used in this thread, which is to say a camera focused solely on stills photography (vs 99% of the other cameras being produced which also do video). And in that sense, I'm happy to be labeled a purist. If I need some video, my iPhone is fine for that. But if I reach for my M, it's because I want to create a photograph. Thank you to Leica for producing a fantastic camera for all us purists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lax Jought Posted February 27, 2017 Share #193 Posted February 27, 2017 But if I reach for my M, it's because I want to create a photograph. I'm pretty sure that all the M models take stills photographs.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_parker Posted February 27, 2017 Share #194 Posted February 27, 2017 I've said this elsewhere but the thing that interested me about the M240 was that you could run the video function and take still images at the same time - it made for an interesting and quite atmospheric diary of the shoot, as long as the image card was big enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Mandeville Posted February 27, 2017 Share #195 Posted February 27, 2017 I'm pretty sure that all the M models take stills photographs.... Yes, but all of them are not as well designed as the M10 for doing so. And precious time spent programming for firmware updates for the M10 won't be wasted on upgrading video features. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lax Jought Posted February 27, 2017 Share #196 Posted February 27, 2017 Yes, but all of them are not as well designed as the M10 for doing so. And precious time spent programming for firmware updates for the M10 won't be wasted on upgrading video features. You're in luck, Leica has shown over the past few years that they're happy to produce specialist cameras for the purist - pure B&W in the Monochrom, no LiveView for those who really want a film experience without actually delving into film, and even when the M240 was the flagship model, Leica also provided the M262 which is pretty much the M240 but without the video. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Mandeville Posted February 27, 2017 Share #197 Posted February 27, 2017 You're in luck, Leica has shown over the past few years that they're happy to produce specialist cameras for the purist - pure B&W in the Monochrom, no LiveView for those who really want a film experience without actually delving into film, and even when the M240 was the flagship model, Leica also provided the M262 which is pretty much the M240 but without the video. Better than that, they produced the M10. Which is pretty much the exact camera I was waiting for ever since I started shooting the M9. I like my LCD screen and could care less about having a Monochrome-only camera, but the M10 is perfectly designed as far as I'm concerned. Now if I could just get my hands on one. . . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lax Jought Posted February 27, 2017 Share #198 Posted February 27, 2017 You have no issues with a continuing M240 line with video would you? Or a future M11 with a video option and a stills only option? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsleica Posted February 27, 2017 Share #199 Posted February 27, 2017 Maybe the purists..should just go back to film mayhaps..and really be purists..instead of pretending...and imposing their restrictions..upon a forward looking evolutionary format..digital.. Let digital be what it is in full flower..and grow.. Or become a digital purist..and all that entails..video etc..yes...a digital purist..with an open mind.. Is that asking too much.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted February 27, 2017 Share #200 Posted February 27, 2017 Maybe the purists..should just go back to film mayhaps..and really be purists..instead of pretending...and imposing their restrictions..upon a forward looking evolutionary format..digital.. Let digital be what it is in full flower..and grow.. Or become a digital purist..and all that entails..video etc..yes...a digital purist..with an open mind.. Is that asking too much.. Look. The M camera is very good at doing what it does - rangefinder stills photography. BUT. The lack of lens communication with the body is a real limiter on what it can do and will be able to do. So Leica can either work within those limits or accept second best implementation. What do you think they would be better off doing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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