jaapv Posted January 19, 2017 Share #121 Posted January 19, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Gentlemen, we are talking about a camera here. Everybody has the right to express his/her personal opinion, excitement or disappointment. Non of which is fanboyism, raining on parades, etc. Please respect each other's point of view, do not take or make the discussion personal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 19, 2017 Posted January 19, 2017 Hi jaapv, Take a look here Leica M10 officially announced. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
pico Posted January 19, 2017 Share #122 Posted January 19, 2017 If it works as well as the one in my car Leica can expect a lot of trouble I erred, Jaap. My vehicle uses Bluetooth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 19, 2017 Share #123 Posted January 19, 2017 I cannot express my opinion on my car's Wifi without the post being moderated. I sure hope Leica does better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roverover Posted January 19, 2017 Share #124 Posted January 19, 2017 Gentlemen, we are talking about a camera here. Everybody has the right to express his/her personal opinion, excitement or disappointment. Non of which is fanboyism, raining on parades, etc. Please respect each other's point of view, do not take or make the discussion personal. ...fair enough! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leica Fanatic Posted January 19, 2017 Share #125 Posted January 19, 2017 Gentlemen, we are talking about a camera here. Everybody has the right to express his/her personal opinion, excitement or disappointment. Non of which is fanboyism, raining on parades, etc. Please respect each other's point of view, do not take or make the discussion personal. It's as funny as hell though. Reminds me of the peculiar arguments over irrelevant subjects with my 'soon to be' ex-wife. Only difference is I actually miss these heated 'discussions' here at The Bar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leica Fanatic Posted January 19, 2017 Share #126 Posted January 19, 2017 The solution is simple. If the M10 doesn't suit your purpose, don't buy it. If your needs are better served with an M240/M9/M2 etc, use that. Me, I still prefer to block all the light into my living room with black polythene and cut a small hole in it to let some light through. The results are impressive but a real pain in the arris when I want to do street photography. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 19, 2017 Share #127 Posted January 19, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I've played with wifi on the SL and on an Olympus OM-D 5ii, with phone, ipad and Surface Pro, with LAN and local hotspot, and it is not something I would wish to rely on. Yes, it works, but setting it up first time is tedious, and line drops are common. With a following wind and in close proximity it can be seamless, but reliable it is not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
honcho Posted January 19, 2017 Share #128 Posted January 19, 2017 ......The iso dial is a useful addition but located where it is, should ideally be lockable (as per the Fuji XT-2).... The iso dial does lock. Get's better! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 19, 2017 Share #129 Posted January 19, 2017 John, stop being so churlish and snarky. If you don't like the conversation leave it alone and join one of the other threads. You are clearly here just to stir trouble. There are thousands of pros who tether. That is just a common reality you are clearly unaware of. Dont be rude, Paul. I'm taking your comments at face value and disagreeing with you - rationally. You have haunted every thread making the same points ad nauseam - more MP and now no USB. Leica isn't going to change on this. The M isn't designed or intended to do what you want the way you want it. In response you wrap yourself in what you believe to be the honours of being "professional", then you claim to have "thousands" of similar minded other professionals of similat bent. Sorry, I don't believe a word of it. I have no doubt you're a fine photographer, and I respect your knowledge; but repeating the same complaint over and over won't change a thing. I certainly have the right to disagree with you, and will continue to do so where I think you're wrong. That, however, is irrelevant - the M10 isn't for you, apparently. Why are you posting everywhere about the faults no one else cares about on a camera which isn't for you? PS - just seen Jaap's moderation post above. Feel free to delete this post. It takes time to wade through the thread, and I see the discussion has moved on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 19, 2017 Share #130 Posted January 19, 2017 I use the app function for the Q, not that often but it is fun, especially using the iPhone for remote control. BUT, you need to be someplace where there is WIFI, the communication between phone and camera essentially tunnels through an existing internet connection. If none is available, like outside on that windy beach, it is as useful as a camera with a dead battery.Is the Q App different to the SL App, then? I use the SL App for remote control all the time without an internet connection. When turning on the WiFi, select remote control by App, and it works. You only join a WiFi network if you want to review images on your computer. At least, that's the way I use it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 19, 2017 Share #131 Posted January 19, 2017 Repeated for convenience: Gentlemen, we are talking about a camera here. Everybody has the right to express his/her personal opinion, excitement or disappointment. Non of which is fanboyism, raining on parades, etc. Please respect each other's point of view, do not take or make the discussion personal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
microview Posted January 19, 2017 Share #132 Posted January 19, 2017 Me, I still prefer to block all the light into my living room with black polythene and cut a small hole in it to let some light through. The results are impressive but a real pain in the arris when I want to do street photography. You could always buy a caravan or an old VW camper, better still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leica Fanatic Posted January 19, 2017 Share #133 Posted January 19, 2017 You could always buy a caravan or an old VW camper, better still. Not a bad idea but the local's might not be too amused. "Who is this nutter driving his van with blacked-out windows up and down the high street ?!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted January 19, 2017 Share #134 Posted January 19, 2017 I use the app function for the Q, not that often but it is fun, especially using the iPhone for remote control. BUT, you need to be someplace where there is WIFI, the communication between phone and camera essentially tunnels through an existing internet connection. If none is available, like outside on that windy beach, it is as useful as a camera with a dead battery. Most cameras that support WiFi have the ability to create a secure hotspot for direct connection to a computer or smartphone/tablet device. That's how I use mine most of the time, whenever I'm not in my home network. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted January 19, 2017 Share #135 Posted January 19, 2017 ... One improvement that I think will be retained from now on is the rangefinder's viewfinder. A larger view with better eye relief is a very pleasant surprise. I cannot know how anyone would not appreciate it. Yes. For me, that's the real highlight of the M10 improvements, along with the promise afforded by the new sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 19, 2017 Share #136 Posted January 19, 2017 Dont be rude, Paul. I'm taking your comments at face value and disagreeing with you - rationally. You have haunted every thread making the same points ad nauseam - more MP and now no USB. Leica isn't going to change on this. The M isn't designed or intended to do what you want the way you want it. In response you wrap yourself in what you believe to be the honours of being "professional", then you claim to have "thousands" of similar minded other professionals of similat bent. Sorry, I don't believe a word of it. I have no doubt you're a fine photographer, and I respect your knowledge; but repeating the same complaint over and over won't change a thing. I certainly have the right to disagree with you, and will continue to do so where I think you're wrong. That, however, is irrelevant - the M10 isn't for you, apparently. Why are you posting everywhere about the faults no one else cares about on a camera which isn't for you? PS - just seen Jaap's moderation post above. Feel free to delete this post. It takes time to wade through the thread, and I see the discussion has moved on. I stopped reading at “haunting every thread”. It’s yet another exaggeration and attack and while they are actually quite amusing, become less so when they come from the same people... I’ve been deliberately keeping things to this thread out of respect of others enjoyment of the release and also so someone like you couldn’t say something like that. I’ve posted in three threads today. This one, the survey post because apparently Stephan Daniel was going to read it, and the one relating to the features missing from the 240. That’s 3 out 24 threads in the M10 page. Yesterday I only posted these concerns in the one M10 thread just after the launch. Since my presence, opinion, needs in a camera and profession somehow continually offends you I suggest you add me to your ignore list so we can get back to the subject of the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leica Fanatic Posted January 19, 2017 Share #137 Posted January 19, 2017 Hang on, is that the jangling of keys I hear coming? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 19, 2017 Share #138 Posted January 19, 2017 All looks good it is a very nice looking camera as are all the M's.. I hope the files are a significant Improvement, because the larger Viewfinder is certainly a huge + for me . I like the new Menu options it is simple and Logical, I even kind of like the ISO dial even though I was not to crazy about it a week ago.... What I hate most, will be the Battery Change. The M240 has such a nice long lasting power supply, and I wish it had 2 card slots, for a pro level Camera this is a must have. I wish all you guys were squawking about that for the last 3 years instead of the 3.5mm of bulk, maybe Leica would have done something about that . So now we have 50 grams less in hand, and a 100 grams more in our bags or pockets for the extra battery we need. I will most likely get a M10 if the files and the Viewfinder have a significant advantage, if not then i'll keep the old boys and maybe buy the new fuji for kicks. I wish Leica would stop releasing a new battery and charger with every camera - drives me mad. That, and reservations about the EVF, are my only reservations about this camera. I love the fact that Leica continues to refresh the M camera with different versions. What next? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skanga Posted January 19, 2017 Share #139 Posted January 19, 2017 Jono's reviews are the best! I agree, the M10 "test" he wrote was thoughtfully written. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skanga Posted January 19, 2017 Share #140 Posted January 19, 2017 The solution is simple. If the M10 doesn't suit your purpose, don't buy it. If your needs are better served with an M240/M9/M2 etc, use that. Me, I still prefer to block all the light into my living room with black polythene and cut a small hole in it to let some light through. The results are impressive but a real pain in the arris when I want to do street photography. I agree with Leica Fanatic - exactly as many have said in the past "It's not the camera it's the photographer" I like the polythene solution! Now enough of sober common sense. I can't wait for the M11 to be the size of the Leica IIIg instead of the bloated M10, and I hope it has a digital level, and includes a remote so I can open my neighbour's garage door at will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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