meerec Posted January 4, 2017 Share #21  Posted January 4, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Noctilux f/1  To be honest, for simple images, there's no need to spend $10,000 for a noctilux, unless you buy it as a cult lens and a statement.  My cheap cron 50 can do great renders ...  N1240303.jpg by Mirek Rzadkowski, on Flickr  Or great out focus circles ...  N1240313.jpg by Mirek Rzadkowski, on Flickr  N1240271.jpg by Mirek Rzadkowski, on Flickr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 Hi meerec, Take a look here How is the Noctilux on the SL?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted January 4, 2017 Share #22  Posted January 4, 2017 To be honest, for simple images, there's no need to spend $10,000 for a noctilux, unless you buy it as a cult lens and a statement.  My cheap cron 50 can do great renders ...  N1240303.jpg by Mirek Rzadkowski, on Flickr  Or great out focus circles ...  N1240313.jpg by Mirek Rzadkowski, on Flickr  N1240271.jpg by Mirek Rzadkowski, on Flickr I agree the pictures posted above look like they were shot from a cheap cron............. in fact they look Nokia style pictures which are good because you can also make phone calls with it . Something you can't do with a Noctilux Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 4, 2017 Share #23  Posted January 4, 2017 I think the Noctilux is great on the SL. It is really the only lens I use other than the two AF zooms. Below is a picture of the entertainment at a riverside picnic dinner on the Irawaddy, when our classic car rally visited Bagan (my second visit there in 6 months). You can see we were inundated with insects and yes, the 1960's to 80's gleaming small Honda motorcycles were a puzzle to us as well. I suppose since they don't have classic cars in Myanmar, this was their nearest local equivalent.  Wilson   Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/267810-how-is-the-noctilux-on-the-sl/?do=findComment&comment=3178955'>More sharing options...
MT0227 Posted January 5, 2017 Share #24  Posted January 5, 2017 Those look like stop signs (hexagons), not circles.  The Nocti f/1 is not $10k and the OP asked - How is the Noctilux on the SL...not a debate of the Noctilux vs. your lens of choice.  To be honest, for simple images, there's no need to spend $10,000 for a noctilux, unless you buy it as a cult lens and a statement.My cheap cron 50 can do great renders ...N1240303.jpg by Mirek Rzadkowski, on FlickrOr great out focus circles ...N1240313.jpg by Mirek Rzadkowski, on FlickrN1240271.jpg by Mirek Rzadkowski, on Flickr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meerec Posted January 5, 2017 Share #25  Posted January 5, 2017 Those look like stop signs (hexagons), not circles.  The Nocti f/1 is not $10k and the OP asked - How is the Noctilux on the SL...not a debate of the Noctilux vs. your lens of choice. The shape depends on aperture and focussing distance. It was my artistic vision and decision to make them hexagon shape in two images and circles in the third, not what the lens decided. I threw the image OOF in such a way to create what I wanted.  Now, your image from Toronto -- the OOF circles are pure ugly. If you used the noctilux v1 for this, I will never buy this lens based on your results. The beauty is in the eyes of the beholder but they are not nice to my sense of aesthetics.  Finally, you may want to recall the title of the original post: "how's noctilux on SL". I made a reply, which is exactly to this post's question. The noctilux on SL, **based on some sample provided**, like the ones by you, is not worth having by comparison to results one can get from a much cheaper summicron-M 50. And I used my images as examples contrasting the images you provided with your noctilux. I think this is all logical, makes me wonder why I need to explain it.  Did you feel insulted by my critique of your images and chose to show a revenge through your subsequent post? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted January 5, 2017 Share #26  Posted January 5, 2017 Calm down, all'y'all.  The Noctilux has a unique rendering signature when near to wide open that most other lenses cannot reproduce. But then again, every lens does really, and the Noctilux f/1 has a different signature from the f/0.95 ... Just like the Summilux 35 v2 has a different signature from the Summilux-M 35 FLE. Posting photos as supporting evidence of how well a lens works on a camera is mostly useless because it's up to the photographer to exploit the rendering to produce a pleasing image. You can make crappy photos with a Noctilux just like you can with a Coke bottle bottom, and brilliant ones too.  The key thing for the OP to take away is that the Noctilux (all versions) works well with the SL sensor and fits the SL body well ergonomically. It's a relatively large M mount lens with a nicely grippable focusing ring and easy to use aperture ring, it balances well too. They're pretty expensive, but such it is—if you like what the Noctilux does and can afford one, go for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MT0227 Posted January 5, 2017 Share #27 Â Posted January 5, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) It seems like you're the one who was insulted. Â All I said was your photo did not contain circles as you suggested, never called your photos "simple" or "ugly". Â Now that you have made this an image critique thread, shooting fireworks is not all that imaginative or complex to me, either are stop signs. Â The 50cron is a great lens, enjoy it. Â The OP asked how is the Noctilux on the SL. Â You have no examples to provide or real experience to share as others have; only an opposing view. Â Those who have contributed, did so to give the OP examples to help with any decisions he is looking to make. The examples demonstrate that all versions of the Noctilux work well with the SL optically. Â The Noctilux attached to the SL also feels great ergonomically and balances real well in the hands for me. Â Hopefully this answers OP's the question. Â Â Â Â Â The shape depends on aperture and focussing distance. It was my artistic vision and decision to make them hexagon shape in two images and circles in the third, not what the lens decided. I threw the image OOF in such a way to create what I wanted.Now, your image from Toronto -- the OOF circles are pure ugly. If you used the noctilux v1 for this, I will never buy this lens based on your results. The beauty is in the eyes of the beholder but they are not nice to my sense of aesthetics.Finally, you may want to recall the title of the original post: "how's noctilux on SL". I made a reply, which is exactly to this post's question. The noctilux on SL, **based on some sample provided**, like the ones by you, is not worth having by comparison to results one can get from a much cheaper summicron-M 50. And I used my images as examples contrasting the images you provided with your noctilux. I think this is all logical, makes me wonder why I need to explain it.Did you feel insulted by my critique of your images and chose to show a revenge through your subsequent post? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MT0227 Posted January 5, 2017 Share #28  Posted January 5, 2017 +1   The key thing for the OP to take away is that the Noctilux (all versions) works well with the SL sensor and fits the SL body well ergonomically. It's a relatively large M mount lens with a nicely grippable focusing ring and easy to use aperture ring, it balances well too. They're pretty expensive, but such it is—if you like what the Noctilux does and can afford one, go for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satijntje Posted January 5, 2017 Share #29 Â Posted January 5, 2017 Why do you think the Nocti is getting more popular these days and that prices for second hand ones are going up? Â Its because of the SL of course! Â John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbonetics Posted January 6, 2017 Share #30  Posted January 6, 2017 Why do you think the Nocti is getting more popular these days and that prices for second hand ones are going up?  Its because of the SL of course!  John  wow...I didn't know the not price goes up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 7, 2017 Share #31 Â Posted January 7, 2017 price has been one a decline for over a year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted January 7, 2017 Share #32 Â Posted January 7, 2017 I bought mine brand new from Leica in Scotland for $7329 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meerec Posted January 7, 2017 Share #33 Â Posted January 7, 2017 I bought mine brand new from Leica in Scotland for $7329 Neil r u talking us dolla or U.K. pound or what is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 7, 2017 Share #34  Posted January 7, 2017 I got 20% off list on my new Noctilux 18 months ago from a major German dealer. Mind you it had to go straight back to the factory as its focus was off all the way through the range. Leica said I could have a replacement new one but I would have to wait two to three months until the next batch was built, so I opted for my existing one to be rectified. It came back within 10 days, perfectly in focus.  Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted January 7, 2017 Share #35 Â Posted January 7, 2017 Neil r u talking us dolla or U.K. pound or what is it? Those green things they call US Dollars Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meerec Posted January 7, 2017 Share #36 Â Posted January 7, 2017 Those green things they call US Dollars US$2,300 more expensive in Sydney [before discounts if any] A. Did you deduct VAT when leaving Europe? And therefore the price is what it is... B. Did you get a substantial discount from the dealer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted January 7, 2017 Share #37  Posted January 7, 2017 US$2,300 more expensive in Sydney [before discounts if any] A. Did you deduct VAT when leaving Europe? And therefore the price is what it is... B. Did you get a substantial discount from the dealer? Bill The full price in the UK is 7159 pounds The price without the VAT is 5965 pounds 5965 pounds to USD = 7329 USD  You can order from Ffordes in Scotland, they will send it to you for around 100 pounds shipping and you will be liable for any inport duties and tax................ if the import duty for camera equipment in Australia is zero like Malaysia you will save yourself ~2200 dollars Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayesh Mehta Posted January 7, 2017 Share #38  Posted January 7, 2017 Both wide open (0.95) as I recall, although one shows as 0.9 and the other 1.2 on the EXIF.  Michigan Avenue, Chicago.  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  Illinois (upper) @ St Clair, Chicago  Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  Illinois (upper) @ St Clair, Chicago  ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/267810-how-is-the-noctilux-on-the-sl/?do=findComment&comment=3181221'>More sharing options...
jrp Posted January 7, 2017 Share #39 Â Posted January 7, 2017 Thanks for putting these up. What distinctive Noctilux capabilities do they illustrate? (Just wonder in') Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satijntje Posted January 7, 2017 Share #40  Posted January 7, 2017 Prices for new Nocti's are indeed under pressure as there are more Nocti's produced then bought. The second hand market for 1.0 Nocti's however is moving upwards. V2 or V3 that were available last year for around 3400 Euro are nor offered and bought for 10-20% more. The price increase for a V4 is also significant  John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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