dancook Posted August 17, 2017 Share #341 Posted August 17, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I can only look at them on my cell phone right now. The m-lux pops off my screen. It's 3D-like. Nice wedding pics with the M10, by the way. It suits you. Yes the photo of the m-lux by the 50SL does, it might help being that the silver and light worked well together. and thanks, look forward to my M10 arriving and really getting to know it inside out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dancook Posted August 30, 2017 Share #342 Posted August 30, 2017 I am putting my 50SL up for sale now not sure if I'm leaving SL altogether - but i know i am selling the 50SL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazytiger Posted August 30, 2017 Share #343 Posted August 30, 2017 I am putting my 50SL up for sale now not sure if I'm leaving SL altogether - but i know i am selling the 50SL Why? You convinced me to buy the 90/280! Well, you contributed. But seriously, I owned the M 240 before the SL and it was so totally not my pair of shoes... the legendary "rangefinder sensation" just never kicked in. All that stuff with having one eye on the surrounding scene and one on the viewfinder (closed the second one anyway to be able to focus the damn thing). All I had was a weighty piece of German craftmanship with a hole on one side to peek through and a bigger one on the other side to stick premium lenses on. No way to see the picture I was actually taking (except for a silly plastic EVF I lost twice cause it kept falling off). I know some people make great pictures with it and I honestly admire them for that mysterious skill. I for my part am super happy with my SL and find myself never ever looking back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancook Posted August 30, 2017 Share #344 Posted August 30, 2017 I've been using leica M lenses on the Sl and pretty happy with them for weddings and live music thus far. I won't rush to sell all the sl stuff, but the 50 can go as my 50 needs are fine without need for AF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted August 31, 2017 Share #345 Posted August 31, 2017 Why? You convinced me to buy the 90/280! Well, you contributed. But seriously, I owned the M 240 before the SL and it was so totally not my pair of shoes... the legendary "rangefinder sensation" just never kicked in. All that stuff with having one eye on the surrounding scene and one on the viewfinder (closed the second one anyway to be able to focus the damn thing). All I had was a weighty piece of German craftmanship with a hole on one side to peek through and a bigger one on the other side to stick premium lenses on. No way to see the picture I was actually taking (except for a silly plastic EVF I lost twice cause it kept falling off). I know some people make great pictures with it and I honestly admire them for that mysterious skill. I for my part am super happy with my SL and find myself never ever looking back I'm in the process of liquidating my M cameras after using them ever since the M9 ...... whilst I appreciated the compactness the RF novelty wore off eventually, and as I ended up using the EVF all the time with the M240 as a result it seemed a bit daft to continue. Mirrorless with an optical quality EVF like the SL offers so many advantages that the size and weight of the system is a minor trade-off. The M10 is the only new Leica I have not been tempted to buy and try ..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted August 31, 2017 Share #346 Posted August 31, 2017 Even your Monochrom? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted August 31, 2017 Share #347 Posted August 31, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Even your Monochrom? Both Monochrom's ........ Used neither in 18 months and the M-P hasn't been out of the safe for a year. I thought I would regret it but have no sellers remorse. Anyway I'll have recouped enough for an M10 if I'm ever tempted (and some to spare) but to date have no urge to get one....... Quite happy enough with an SL, TL2, Q and more lenses that I know what to do with..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazytiger Posted August 31, 2017 Share #348 Posted August 31, 2017 I've been using leica M lenses on the Sl and pretty happy with them for weddings and live music thus far. I won't rush to sell all the sl stuff, but the 50 can go as my 50 needs are fine without need for AF Never considered the SL 50 for myself. The Lux-M ASPH is just too good, so beautifully small and so easy to focus on the SL. Probably my favorite lens ever. Once TechArt will come up with their M to SL AF adapter we can even have a decent AF on that one and an SL2 should better offer OIS on the sensor in order to stay competitive to Sony, making the SL and the Lux 50 a highly compact and effective package. Guess I'll never sell that marvel of a lens. Now, SL 75 and/or 90 are a different story to me than the 50, as those AF lenses are way smaller. Eagerly waiting... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgo2 Posted August 31, 2017 Share #349 Posted August 31, 2017 Never considered the SL 50 for myself. The Lux-M ASPH is just too good, so beautifully small and so easy to focus on the SL. Probably my favorite lens ever. Once TechArt will come up with their M to SL AF adapter we can even have a decent AF on that one and an SL2 should better offer OIS on the sensor in order to stay competitive to Sony, making the SL and the Lux 50 a highly compact and effective package. Guess I'll never sell that marvel of a lens. Now, SL 75 and/or 90 are a different story to me than the 50, as those AF lenses are way smaller. Eagerly waiting... A TechArt M to SL AF adapter! That is a wish, not some inside info, right? I would love for it to happen, but given the relatively small number of SLs that will ever be sold, I'm not sure that TechArt will consider it a worthwhile investment. Perhaps we should start a write-in campaign to the company. Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazytiger Posted August 31, 2017 Share #350 Posted August 31, 2017 A TechArt M to SL AF adapter! That is a wish, not some inside info, right? I would love for it to happen, but given the relatively small number of SLs that will ever be sold, I'm not sure that TechArt will consider it a worthwhile investment. Perhaps we should start a write-in campaign to the company. Rob There was an article on Leica Rumors last year, quoting a TechArt Pro engineer: "Although Fuji is good but it's cropped sensor after all, won't consider doing it, not at least till I completed adapter for Leica SL.In my heart adapter for SL is the real benchmark, I've tried wide angle lenses with SL, performed better than A7RII generally." Now I cannot guarantee that the marketing people didn't force him to go Fuji instead due to the higher potential sales... Here is the full article: https://leicarumors.com/2016/08/09/techart-pro-leica-m-lens-to-leica-sl-mount-autofocus-adaptor-is-being-developed.aspx/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geetee1972 Posted August 31, 2017 Share #351 Posted August 31, 2017 Once TechArt will come up with their M to SL AF adapter we can even have a decent AF I'd heard/read the same rumour but was surprised because I had always thought that the TechArt adapter relied on phase detection to work, which is why it wouldn't work on the Sony A7s for example (because it doesn't have PDAF, only contrast). I could be wrong about all this though. FWIW I had the TechArt adapter for a few weeks on my A7rII until I chopped that camera in for the SL. (I sold the adapter for a profit funnily enough as the FX rate shifted substantially following Brexit and made the imported cost much higher). It worked OK, but not great. Outdoors in good light it was very good, but indoors it was a bit iffy. It's a great solution though; fabulous cottage industry engineering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgo2 Posted August 31, 2017 Share #352 Posted August 31, 2017 There was an article on Leica Rumors last year, quoting a TechArt Pro engineer: "Although Fuji is good but it's cropped sensor after all, won't consider doing it, not at least till I completed adapter for Leica SL.In my heart adapter for SL is the real benchmark, I've tried wide angle lenses with SL, performed better than A7RII generally." Now I cannot guarantee that the marketing people didn't force him to go Fuji instead due to the higher potential sales... Here is the full article: https://leicarumors.com/2016/08/09/techart-pro-leica-m-lens-to-leica-sl-mount-autofocus-adaptor-is-being-developed.aspx/ All I can say is "Oh, baby!" But I do hope that they can make an SL adapter that is more user friendly than the one for Sony cameras. Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazytiger Posted August 31, 2017 Share #353 Posted August 31, 2017 I'd heard/read the same rumour but was surprised because I had always thought that the TechArt adapter relied on phase detection to work, which is why it wouldn't work on the Sony A7s for example (because it doesn't have PDAF, only contrast). I could be wrong about all this though. FWIW I had the TechArt adapter for a few weeks on my A7rII until I chopped that camera in for the SL. (I sold the adapter for a profit funnily enough as the FX rate shifted substantially following Brexit and made the imported cost much higher). It worked OK, but not great. Outdoors in good light it was very good, but indoors it was a bit iffy. It's a great solution though; fabulous cottage industry engineering. The technology of detection shouldn't be the point since, if I am not mistaken, the adapter only interprets the signals from the camera in order to move the lens back and forth. These signals come regardless of how the camera acquires them, as long as it's in AF mode and thinks it's coupled with an AF lens. I honestly think Leica should make one themselves, but then, who would still buy an M, seeing that you can use M-lenses with AF on the SL. So we'll probably won't get it on the state-of-the-art "pro" model due to the sales of the flagship "enthusiast" model. They might even have taken steps to keep TechArt from making one. While Sony certainly was happy to make their cameras more attractive this way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancook Posted September 1, 2017 Share #354 Posted September 1, 2017 It was quick to sell! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geetee1972 Posted September 1, 2017 Share #355 Posted September 1, 2017 The technology of detection shouldn't be the point since, I wouldn't be able to discuss the technicalities to be honest but the Techart Pro website states the following: "Techart PRO is only compatible with Sony A7ii, Sony A7Rii, A6300, A6500 & A9. We do NOT recommend to use with CDAF-only nonmeras (i.e. Sony NEX, A6000, Sony A7, Sony A7R, Sony A7S, Sony A7Sii, etc)." I guess they mean it will work, just not very well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted September 1, 2017 Share #356 Posted September 1, 2017 I still love the 50SL and its rendering and having AF, specially for a lens with shallow DOF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyrkialanen Posted September 1, 2017 Share #357 Posted September 1, 2017 I wouldn't be able to discuss the technicalities to be honest but the Techart Pro website states the following: "Techart PRO is only compatible with Sony A7ii, Sony A7Rii, A6300, A6500 & A9. We do NOT recommend to use with CDAF-only nonmeras (i.e. Sony NEX, A6000, Sony A7, Sony A7R, Sony A7S, Sony A7Sii, etc)." I guess they mean it will work, just not very well. That's true. Techart Pro adapter needs the phase detection auto focus to work properly. Without PDAF the adapter is a complete waste of time and money. I'm very happy using my TAP with Sony A7ll but with my infra red converted A6000 it's next to useless. So unless the SL2 will have PDAF the rumoured Techart pro adapter for Leica SL must be completely redesigned to work with CDAF, if that kind of design is even possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazytiger Posted September 1, 2017 Share #358 Posted September 1, 2017 While I can imagine that the original TA adapter was optimized to deal with the signals the PDAF Sony cameras generate, I cannot imagine a limitation of the adapter itself to PDAF. Since it is basically but a motor moving a lens back and forth, it shouldn't make any difference how the camera aquires focus information... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted September 1, 2017 Share #359 Posted September 1, 2017 And that's why the rumor is fake news. Unlikely the addressable market is big enough to make the extra R&D effort worth it for TA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted September 1, 2017 Share #360 Posted September 1, 2017 Once TechArt will come up with their M to SL AF adapter we can even have a decent AF on that one and an SL2 should better offer OIS on the sensor in order to stay competitive to Sony, making the SL and the Lux 50 a highly compact and effective package. Guess I'll never sell that marvel of a lens. Please wait with buying the TAP. There are technical problems with it. Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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