pgk Posted December 16, 2016 Share #1 Posted December 16, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) By which, at the risk of starting a contentious thread (no not really - an interesting and insightful thread perhaps), I mean; if you could order your 'ideal/dream' dRF from Leica, what features would you like? I know that there will be vast differences in opinions and desires but imagining a true 'á la carte' digital mix'n match camera, what would you want it to feature? My own ideal would be an M4 as in just that, fully mechanical, fully manual - more or less just as it is in fact, but fitted with a digital sensor (20~30MPixels would be fine) and rear screen. There would be a RAW histogram view, and no ISO adjustment as it would only shoot RAW and everything, including gain, would have to be adjusted in post processing. As concessions to later technology It would have a basic hotshoe and a single flash socket on the front (and perhaps a simple cente-weighted meter - 3 leds in the viewfinder - but I'm far from sure that I'd bother with one although since it would need to be powered it would seem churlish not to have one). It would need 6-bit recognition for lenses and a method of inputting details for uncoded lenses, so a very few buttons maybe. An absolute 'purists' camera in a way with absolutely no frills at all - the bare minimum in fact. Certainly not everybody's cup of tea. But I'd be happy with it. Does it appeal to anyone else in fact? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ianman Posted December 16, 2016 Share #2 Posted December 16, 2016 - M9 body, with vulcanite and black painted brass. - CCD with improved higher iso handling... say up to a usable 6400 would be enough. - Better rear LCD. No ISO button but keep the M9 type access to change ISO. - Interchangeable sensor With both colour and monochrome available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted December 16, 2016 Share #3 Posted December 16, 2016 By which, at the risk of starting a contentious thread (no not really - an interesting and insightful thread perhaps), I mean; if you could order your 'ideal/dream' dRF from Leica, what features would you like? I know that there will be vast differences in opinions and desires but imagining a true 'á la carte' digital mix'n match camera, what would you want it to feature? My own ideal would be an M4 as in just that, fully mechanical, fully manual - more or less just as it is in fact, but fitted with a digital sensor (20~30MPixels would be fine) and rear screen. There would be a RAW histogram view, and no ISO adjustment as it would only shoot RAW and everything, including gain, would have to be adjusted in post processing. As concessions to later technology It would have a basic hotshoe and a single flash socket on the front (and perhaps a simple cente-weighted meter - 3 leds in the viewfinder - but I'm far from sure that I'd bother with one although since it would need to be powered it would seem churlish not to have one). It would need 6-bit recognition for lenses and a method of inputting details for uncoded lenses, so a very few buttons maybe. An absolute 'purists' camera in a way with absolutely no frills at all - the bare minimum in fact. Certainly not everybody's cup of tea. But I'd be happy with it. Does it appeal to anyone else in fact? Yes... it does me. Don't need a flash socket on the front, (the original M4 had two sockets on the back... so it should go there... if at all). I would also like the use of an EVF as an accessory, which means LV... (and if you could record the feed to the SD card, then fine, thats a nice freebie ) I would also like aperture priority auto... (Oh wait... isn't that a M4 sized Leica M240P with the menu set accordingly????) Phew... just saved myself a load of money...! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted December 16, 2016 Share #4 Posted December 16, 2016 My own ideal would be an M4 as in just that, fully mechanical, fully manual - more or less just as it is in fact, but fitted with a digital sensor (20~30MPixels would be fine) and rear screen. There would be a RAW histogram view, and no ISO adjustment as it would only shoot RAW and everything, including gain, would have to be adjusted in post processing. As concessions to later technology It would have a basic hotshoe and a single flash socket on the front (and perhaps a simple cente-weighted meter - 3 leds in the viewfinder - but I'm far from sure that I'd bother with one although since it would need to be powered it would seem churlish not to have one). It would need 6-bit recognition for lenses and a method of inputting details for uncoded lenses, so a very few buttons maybe. I don't understand. You're saying it should have a digital sensor and a screen. So how would it be "fully mechanical, fully manual" like an M4? Clockwork-timed cloth shutter with mechanical recocking? What's the point? If it's digital it has to be completely battery dependent, an electronic shutter is far more consistent and accurate, and Leica has already shown they can make the shutter recharge as quiet as a film M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted December 16, 2016 Share #5 Posted December 16, 2016 Cars are all pretty much a la carte these days. Cameras no doubt could be too, but there would be serious price implications. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted December 16, 2016 Author Share #6 Posted December 16, 2016 What's the point? The point is ..... that I like it. Not intending to start an argument. My intent was simply to get people to state their preferencies - regardless of how crazy they are. And as a useful bit. If the battery only had to power the imagey bit then it could last a long time - useful if away from charging possibilities . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted December 16, 2016 Share #7 Posted December 16, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) a Q without LCD and interchangeable M lenses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted December 16, 2016 Share #8 Posted December 16, 2016 An M? So, optical rangefinder? How far can I go? M Edition 60, with the ability to upgrade the sensor when new M sensors come along, one frameline per lens (read from the 6 bit coding) and the little gauge at the bottom like the SL showing how far over and under exposed you are when shooting manual. WiFi, maybe? Not sure what I'd adjust ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share #9 Posted December 20, 2016 Strap lugs on one end My 5D with an RRS baseplate effectively offered this as an option and I really liked it - never understood why it wasn't retained as its a very effective way of retaining/carrying a camera in readiness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted December 20, 2016 Share #10 Posted December 20, 2016 Because when you look down at it dangling on your chest you can't check the aperture, speed and distance settings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share #11 Posted December 20, 2016 Because when you look down at it dangling on your chest you can't check the aperture, speed and distance settings. Not a problem for me - these are always 'preset' anyway. And rather less of a problem on the 5D because they aren't visible . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted December 20, 2016 Share #12 Posted December 20, 2016 99.9 % of the time the camera is hanging of a shoulder . I can't remember seeing anyone hanging it from the knock How odd that I see most cameras hanging around people's necks and not their shoulders, certainly when they are in the process of using them rather than carrying them from one place to another. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted December 20, 2016 Share #13 Posted December 20, 2016 99.9 % of the time the camera is hanging of a shoulder . I can't remember seeing anyone hanging it from the knock on the shoulder I have never seen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 20, 2016 Share #14 Posted December 20, 2016 99.9 % of the time the camera is hanging of a shoulder . I can't remember seeing anyone hanging it from the knock Hmm, I always carry the camera on a diagonal strap, carried safely and easily raised to the eye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted December 20, 2016 Share #15 Posted December 20, 2016 I've seen shoulder hanging cameras. I always get the feeling (how? osmosis? esp?) that the wearer is afraid to step inside the loop; doesn't want to commit to carrying a machine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share #16 Posted December 20, 2016 Well, I carry mine around my neck, looped over the opposite shoulder or over my shoulder - depends, but not sure on what! The 3-lug M5 at least offered a solution for indecisive photographers like myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted December 21, 2016 Share #17 Posted December 21, 2016 Hanging the camera on a shoulder seems to be one of those things people seem to equate with photojournalists whereas around the neck is equated with tourists. Although I recall seeing images of photojournalists in the 50s-60s with multiple cameras around their necks. Personally I always felt wearing a camera off my shoulder made me a more attractive target for snatch-n-grab thievery. And there was that one time I was reaching for the flush lever and my camera slipped down my arm (despite a very grippy strap pad) and into the toilet. Fortunately the camera was in a neoprene glove which kept the camera clean and dry, and it was a Canon Rebel, so even if it hadn't survived it wouldn't have been a major loss. But my Leica's stay around my neck whether I look like a tourist or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kilmister Posted December 22, 2016 Share #18 Posted December 22, 2016 Hmm, I always carry the camera on a diagonal strap, carried safely and easily raised to the eye. Me too. Try climbing over a stile with a camera perched on one shoulder and you'll understand why I do that. The same applies if walking a boisterous dog held back on a lead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted December 22, 2016 Share #19 Posted December 22, 2016 My à la carte M will never see the light of day i'm afraid. It would have the same size as my M4-2, the same rangefinder as my M240, the same guts as my A7s mod and 35/75, 28/90 & 50/135 framelines in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 23, 2016 Share #20 Posted December 23, 2016 Me too. Try climbing over a stile with a camera perched on one shoulder and you'll understand why I do that. The same applies if walking a boisterous dog held back on a lead. And hanging around the neck - I've slammed too many cameras when tying a shoelace. Besides, I dislike the phallic symbol association of a camera protruding from the belly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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