imants Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1521 Posted January 13, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Those add-ons have always been called Visoflex. They make an integral part or the M system since the fifties. Well it is time to upgrade the design to make a compact body without a lump on top the fifties are long gone and merely childhood memories Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lct Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1522 Posted January 13, 2017 EVF on a rangefinder is a crutch anyway. No more so than an optical Visoflex on a rangefinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1523 Posted January 13, 2017 Well it is time to upgrade the design to make a compact body without a lump on top the fifties are long gone snd merely childhood memories Those lumps are still there on top of modern cameras like SL and A7 bodies. The beauty of the M is we can remove those things. I have no idea if the 'M10' will have one though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1524 Posted January 13, 2017 Those lumps are part of the body not something added on via a hotshoe. I have had a hotshoe inerted in my head so I don't have to hold my flash while the camera hotshoe is busy.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1525 Posted January 13, 2017 Those lumps are part of the body not something added on via a hotshoe. I have had a hotshoe inerted in my head so I don't have to hold my flash while the camera hotshoe is busy.... Optical Visoflexes have no hotshoe either and there are different ways of using strobes with M cameras. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/266426-leica-m-10/?do=findComment&comment=3185105'>More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1526 Posted January 13, 2017 Leica T EVF would be a huge let down, Its way over priced and the resolution is barely adequate. An external SL quality EVF is what Leica should offer...but I doubt that will happen The Leica T EVF (Typ 020) is 3.7 megapixel, so how is that resolution barely adequate? As for the price, it's exactly in line with everything else from Leica (i.e., expensive). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1527 Posted January 13, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Any additions like a external evf are design flaw, credit card fiend or a company just taking the easy way out You can send me any external viewfinders you might own. I'll pay postage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derleicaman Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1528 Posted January 13, 2017 The Leica T EVF (Typ 020) is 3.7 megapixel, so how is that resolution barely adequate? As for the price, it's exactly in line with everything else from Leica (i.e., expensive). It looks to me that what some people want is an M mount SL without the 'mirror lump'. What most seem to want is an updated OVF M camera which is what the M10 promises to be. For a FF EVF type of camera, I can see something like an interchangeable Q being very doable and attractive. My concept of this would be like a digital CL camera, or as some on here have dubbed it, the QL. For me, the SL is just too big and heavy. At some point in time, the M family may split into an OVF and an EVF branch, and that may be the solution to make everyone here happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1529 Posted January 13, 2017 Those lumps are part of the body not something added on via a hotshoe. I have had a hotshoe inerted in my head so I don't have to hold my flash while the camera hotshoe is busy.... On camera flash has done enough to damage (insert your own moderate word) photography. If you want a pleasing picture then keep flash away from the lens. I don't see on camera hotshot blockage as negative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asiafish Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1530 Posted January 13, 2017 The fact that it is shown with a Summarit on suggests to me that Leica is not pitching this camera as top-of-the-line. The film M-A was originally shown with a Summarit as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1531 Posted January 13, 2017 I think the frame line preview lever rules out the use of individual frame lines. A six position switch would be a bugger to control. ah, but who said that levers still controls the frame lines !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distagon Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1532 Posted January 13, 2017 No more so than an optical Visoflex on a rangefinder. Yes, that solution was an inelegant crutch too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distagon Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1533 Posted January 13, 2017 It looks to me that what some people want is an M mount SL without the 'mirror lump'. What most seem to want is an updated OVF M camera which is what the M10 promises to be. I'm hoping it's not an either/or problem, but that everyone can have both. It's do-able. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distagon Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1534 Posted January 13, 2017 On camera flash has done enough to damage (insert your own moderate word) photography. If you want a pleasing picture then keep flash away from the lens. I don't see on camera hotshot blockage as negative. I cheat with a hot shoe mounted radio trigger, so while I thoroughly agree with the sentiment of getting the strobe off the body, losing the hot shoe to an external EVF would still be a pain. No doubt there will be a way around it, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1535 Posted January 13, 2017 Optical Visoflexes have no hotshoe either and there are different ways of using strobes with M cameras. M-EQUIPMENT-SCA_ADAPTER_SET_teaser-480x320.png Fast forward to the 21st century and digital ........ external EVF's have a hot shoe your flash we get another lump on the side .......... we are getting more and more compact? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1536 Posted January 13, 2017 You can send me any external viewfinders you might own. I'll pay postage. Don't use them don't have them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1537 Posted January 13, 2017 On camera flash has done enough to damage (insert your own moderate word) photography. If you want a pleasing picture then keep flash away from the lens. I don't see on camera hotshot blockage as negative. I don't use a flash and I like a viewfinder to the camera left and not in the middle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1538 Posted January 13, 2017 Not sure to understand what you mean Imants. You know as well as i do how difficult it may be to make compact digital FF rangefinders like M240 or 'M10' bodies. Even our dear old R-D1 is taller in spite of its APS-C sensor. We cannot have both that small size and a big built-in EVF a la SL. There is a reason for its bump. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1539 Posted January 13, 2017 Not sure to understand what you mean Imants. You know as well as i do how difficult it may be to make compact digital FF rangefinders like M240 or 'M10' bodies. Even our dear old R-D1 is taller in spite of its APS-C sensor. We cannot have both that small size and a big built-in EVF a la SL. There is a reason for its bump. R&D just have to stop thinking outside the box and think inside the box .................... alternately leave the m as a rangefinder, forget live view just use the screen to pimp .......................28 35 50 frame lines only thus we are left with a small m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted January 13, 2017 Share #1540 Posted January 13, 2017 R&D just have to stop thinking outside the box and think inside the box .................... alternately leave the m as a rangefinder, forget live view just use the screen to pimp .......................28 35 50 frame lines only thus we are left with a small m Neither Live View nor the EVF make the camera bigger. Live View you don't have to use. And the EVF you don't have to buy. In other words, they left the M as a rangefinder, exactly as you say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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