willeica Posted November 2, 2016 Share #61 Posted November 2, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) It matches the experience I have with other German publications. The legal climate is totally different from the UK. I lived in Germany - it took me a long time to get used to. Leaving aside LFI's plain bad behaviour to its customers, one of the cornerstones of the EU is equal treatment of consumers throughout the Union giving them the opportunity and, indeed , the encouragement to make purchases from all parts of a United Europe. You make Germany sound like an anti-consumer regime, which I know it is not. I know all about this from my 8 years as head of consumer protection in Ireland. I have indeed spoken on this matter in various parts of the EU, including the University of Utrecht in your country. The simple bottom line here is that LFI do not have to behave as they do, they just choose to do so. For what it is worth, I still have an active LFI magazine subscription, even though I do not approve of the way that it treats some of its customers. William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted November 2, 2016 Share #62 Posted November 2, 2016 Legal systems and certainly legal culture are certainly not uniform throughout Europe. Having a different system of subscription cancellation has nothing to do with consumer protection either. You make it sound like I have the right to drive on the right in the UK because of equal treatment. Even if a subscriber should have missed that he entered into a subscription contract the entailed automatic renewal, LFI will cancel as soon as one reacts to the first (polite) payment request. If one remains pigheadedly silent, yes, then they will become more insistent. And even then they will accept a cancellation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted November 2, 2016 Share #63 Posted November 2, 2016 Legal systems and certainly legal culture are certainly not uniform throughout Europe. Having a different system of subscription cancellation has nothing to do with consumer protection either. You make it sound like I have the right to drive on the right in the UK because of equal treatment. Even if a subscriber should have missed that he entered into a subscription contract the entailed automatic renewal, LFI will cancel as soon as one reacts to the first (polite) payment request. If one remains pigheadedly silent, yes, then they will become more insistent. And even then they will accept a cancellation. Not sure I like your logic, there, Jaap. Traffic laws and conventions are reasonably harmonised, apart from the "pigheaded" refusal of the continental Europeans to drive on the left. Joking aside, I think William knows what he is talking about ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 3, 2016 Share #64 Posted November 3, 2016 Legal systems and certainly legal culture are certainly not uniform throughout Europe. Having a different system of subscription cancellation has nothing to do with consumer protection either. You make it sound like I have the right to drive on the right in the UK because of equal treatment. Even if a subscriber should have missed that he entered into a subscription contract the entailed automatic renewal, LFI will cancel as soon as one reacts to the first (polite) payment request. If one remains pigheadedly silent, yes, then they will become more insistent. And even then they will accept a cancellation. The easiest way to cancel is just to do it the preferred way by LFI I sent an email last night ,very briefly asking for my subscription to be cancelled. I recieved an email today confirming cancellation. Easy peasy end off. I will either buy a copy of Eyes wide open from Amazon or a decent bottle of single malt with the €60. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted November 3, 2016 Share #65 Posted November 3, 2016 I'd go for the single malt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpitt Posted November 3, 2016 Share #66 Posted November 3, 2016 Not sure I like your logic, there, Jaap. Traffic laws and conventions are reasonably harmonised, apart from the "pigheaded" refusal of the continental Europeans to drive on the left. Joking aside, I think William knows what he is talking about ... Not sure where you got that from... e.g. In every country there are still different 'default' speed limits. I can hardly see any harmonisation there. And the way they check for speed limit violations and fine them is different in every country too. The fine for driving 60 where 50 is allowed can vary from nothing (hardly any checking / allowing for calibration errors) to about 100 Euros depending on the country, and that is just the start. Differences in fines increase as you drive faster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted November 3, 2016 Share #67 Posted November 3, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Speed limits? Where'd you get that from? How about we take a look at some facts - http://www.europarl.europa.eu/atyourservice/en/displayFtu.html?ftuId=FTU_5.6.4.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted November 3, 2016 Share #68 Posted November 3, 2016 Legal systems and certainly legal culture are certainly not uniform throughout Europe. Having a different system of subscription cancellation has nothing to do with consumer protection either. You make it sound like I have the right to drive on the right in the UK because of equal treatment. Even if a subscriber should have missed that he entered into a subscription contract the entailed automatic renewal, LFI will cancel as soon as one reacts to the first (polite) payment request. If one remains pigheadedly silent, yes, then they will become more insistent. And even then they will accept a cancellation. You misinterpret what I am saying. Of course laws may differ within a 'common market' and the Germans have an entitlement to their law. My general point was that LFI operate within an EU market and should, if they are being intelligent about it, realise that different laws and consumer cultures apply in different parts of the Union. In some countries what they are doing would be illegal. Your defence of LFI is admirable but let's call a 'spade a spade' and not a 'shovel' . The LFI practice of pursuing non paying customers with what might be described as 'knuckle breakers' rather than simply not sending any more copies of the magazine is downright bad treatment of consumers and no amount of quoting German law makes it any better. William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaiserphoenix Posted November 3, 2016 Share #69 Posted November 3, 2016 Reality is certainly beginning to bite hard, but I'd like to think our continental friends will step up and arrange for airdrops of humanitarian aid should the pound devalue further. We're a proud nation, so obviously just the essentials: food, drink and blingy Swiss watches. I'd hate to think that any Brits with a Rolex habit will soon be forced to collect Omegas. Yes coz Omega is increasing prices too LOL. Cant go Japanese either as YEN is so strong, GBP has lost around 40% against JPY. Cant go Apple because Apple already increased 20% in the UK.... SO i guess best way is to just not have a watch in honesty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaiserphoenix Posted November 3, 2016 Share #70 Posted November 3, 2016 Oh come on" you partake in the high end market, how on earth will things be tough for you?? The mind boggles at your insincerity"" - Insincerity? LOL I was just saying that the currency devaluation will have a very high NEGATIVE impact for me, how is that insincere? Does having a leica camera and a rolex or whatever make me some rich douche? NO. You don't know who I am or what sacrifices had to be made to purchase these items. If everything, including these items, but food, bills, petrol all going up by 15-25% is not "tough" then i guess you are comfortable on your yacht with the Dom perignons lol. For the normal average citizen, things will get tougher no doubts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 3, 2016 Share #71 Posted November 3, 2016 Insincerity? LOL I was just saying that the currency devaluation will have a very high NEGATIVE impact for me, how is that insincere? Does having a leica camera and a rolex or whatever make me some rich douche? NO. You don't know who I am or what sacrifices had to be made to purchase these items. If everything, including these items, but food, bills, petrol all going up by 15-25% is not "tough" then i guess you are comfortable on your yacht with the Dom perignons lol. For the normal average citizen, things will get tougher no doubts. As the price increases gradually work there way into the system and start making an impact in the pubs,fast food outlets and the lower end supermarkets the public outcry will be for another referendum.I may be completely wrong but once it starts to hurt I personally do not think Brexit will happen.The government will engineer it so as not to loose face. Whatever happens to the exchange rate prices will be very slow to fall if they do fall. The Uk public where hit with price rises due to decimalisation and Brexit or not the same will happen again. Whatever happens there will be many people who make lots of money out of it.I am putting the crystal ball away now and am of on a 10 mile walk in the English Lake District. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted November 3, 2016 Share #72 Posted November 3, 2016 Speed limits? Where'd you get that from? How about we take a look at some facts - http://www.europarl.europa.eu/atyourservice/en/displayFtu.html?ftuId=FTU_5.6.4.html The article states: "This applies not only to taxation (VAT, vehicle taxes and fuel taxes)..." hahahahahahaha !! They haven't even managed to get VAT harmonised in the EU, ok this is not specifically part of the "traffic laws and conventions" you mention. Vehicle taxes: there is no harmonisation on road tax, or registration costs. Each country can do what it likes regarding toll roads. In France, for example, a trip I make quite often to Macon costs me more in motorway tolls than fuel. On the other hand, I believe that in France there is no road tax, but I may be wrong on that on.... a it's not harmonised it's not easy to remember the where, who and how much. In Belgium, road tax is very expensive, although the roads are mostly in a terrible state. Fuel taxes: I won't even go into, but believe me, there is no harmonisation whatsoever. There is no speed limit harmonisation at all. I drive on a regular basis in the UK, Belgium, Luxembourg and France. The speed limits are all over the place. For example, on motorways: UK: 110 km//hr (roughly) BE: 120 km/hr LU: 130 km/hr FR: 130 km/hr - 110km/hr when it's raining - some places 90km/hr (raining or not) Where I live mostly, in Belgium, tax is not even harmonised between the regions. For example, in Flanders and Brussels there is no TV licence anymore, in Wallonie (you may have heard of that little place recently), we pay 140 euros/year. Harmonisation ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted November 3, 2016 Share #73 Posted November 3, 2016 Yes coz Omega is increasing prices too LOL. Cant go Japanese either as YEN is so strong, GBP has lost around 40% against JPY. Cant go Apple because Apple already increased 20% in the UK.... SO i guess best way is to just not have a watch in honesty. yeah but you don't really want an apple watch do you ?? Really ?? I have only ever seen one person wearing one and he looked like a real beeeeeeeep ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted November 3, 2016 Share #74 Posted November 3, 2016 The government will engineer it so as not to loose face Your wish may come true...http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37857785 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 3, 2016 Share #75 Posted November 3, 2016 The article states: "This applies not only to taxation (VAT, vehicle taxes and fuel taxes)..." hahahahahahaha !! They haven't even managed to get VAT harmonised in the EU, ok this is not specifically part of the "traffic laws and conventions" you mention. Vehicle taxes: there is no harmonisation on road tax, or registration costs. Each country can do what it likes regarding toll roads. In France, for example, a trip I make quite often to Macon costs me more in motorway tolls than fuel. On the other hand, I believe that in France there is no road tax, but I may be wrong on that on.... a it's not harmonised it's not easy to remember the where, who and how much. In Belgium, road tax is very expensive, although the roads are mostly in a terrible state. Fuel taxes: I won't even go into, but believe me, there is no harmonisation whatsoever. There is no speed limit harmonisation at all. I drive on a regular basis in the UK, Belgium, Luxembourg and France. The speed limits are all over the place. For example, on motorways: UK: 110 km//hr (roughly) BE: 120 km/hr LU: 130 km/hr FR: 130 km/hr - 110km/hr when it's raining - some places 90km/hr (raining or not) Where I live mostly, in Belgium, tax is not even harmonised between the regions. For example, in Flanders and Brussels there is no TV licence anymore, in Wallonie (you may have heard of that little place recently), we pay 140 euros/year. Harmonisation ? The Netherlands: 130 km/hr, except when it is 120 km/hr except when it is 100 km/hr (OK most Dutch don't understand the system either...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satijntje Posted November 3, 2016 Share #76 Posted November 3, 2016 The article states: "This applies not only to taxation (VAT, vehicle taxes and fuel taxes)..." hahahahahahaha !! They haven't even managed to get VAT harmonised in the EU, ok this is not specifically part of the "traffic laws and conventions" you mention. There is no need for VAT harmonization in the EU! Each EM Member State can define this by himself. In the US you also have different state taxes, so why not here in the EU? I do not understand what you mean with "They". It should read: The EU Member States" of course! John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted November 3, 2016 Share #77 Posted November 3, 2016 The article states: "This applies not only to taxation (VAT, vehicle taxes and fuel taxes)..." hahahahahahaha !! They haven't even managed to get VAT harmonised in the EU, ok this is not specifically part of the "traffic laws and conventions" you mention. Vehicle taxes: there is no harmonisation on road tax, or registration costs. Each country can do what it likes regarding toll roads. In France, for example, a trip I make quite often to Macon costs me more in motorway tolls than fuel. On the other hand, I believe that in France there is no road tax, but I may be wrong on that on.... a it's not harmonised it's not easy to remember the where, who and how much. In Belgium, road tax is very expensive, although the roads are mostly in a terrible state. Fuel taxes: I won't even go into, but believe me, there is no harmonisation whatsoever. There is no speed limit harmonisation at all. I drive on a regular basis in the UK, Belgium, Luxembourg and France. The speed limits are all over the place. For example, on motorways: UK: 110 km//hr (roughly) BE: 120 km/hr LU: 130 km/hr FR: 130 km/hr - 110km/hr when it's raining - some places 90km/hr (raining or not) Where I live mostly, in Belgium, tax is not even harmonised between the regions. For example, in Flanders and Brussels there is no TV licence anymore, in Wallonie (you may have heard of that little place recently), we pay 140 euros/year. Harmonisation ? I don't know why you keep banging on about speed limits. They will never be harmonised. I never said they would. You did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted November 3, 2016 Share #78 Posted November 3, 2016 I don't know why you keep banging on about speed limits. They will never be harmonised. I never said they would. You did. Did I ? Are you not the person who wrote; "Traffic laws and conventions are reasonably harmonised" ?? Oh well, my mistake then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted November 3, 2016 Share #79 Posted November 3, 2016 A speed limit is not a law. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted November 3, 2016 Share #80 Posted November 3, 2016 Did I ? Are you not the person who wrote; "Traffic laws and conventions are reasonably harmonised" ?? Oh well, my mistake then. Yep - get out more. Travelling across Europe, through numerous borders, you hardly notice that you're in another country (apart from your cellphone beeping). Speed limits charge all over the place, even in Germany, and they're all plackarded. Drive in the US, and you're thinking all the time about what's different. It's not that the speed limits are different, it's how that information is transmitted and the underlying approach to traffic and safety. It's easy enough to see when you drive in other places. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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