innerimager Posted June 9, 2007 Share #21 Posted June 9, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Jamie- Try Vuescan, I think you'll like it much better than nikonscan....Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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peterv Posted June 9, 2007 Share #22 Posted June 9, 2007 Jamie, The Nikon 5000 or 9000 are worlds better than the Epson flatbed. I don't know about 'worlds'... The Nikon's might get optically better results than the Epson V750 PRO, but some (all?) Nikons need a rather expensive accessory to scan one whole filmroll. The net is filled with vivid horror stories about films breaking, the mechanism getting stuck, etc. Besides, in order to be able to use this accessory, you need to have to get your film back from the lab in one piece, so that limits your choice of labs... Using a Nikon is like using a medium-good RAW-converter, and downloading 4-6 photo's to your computer at a time, convert them, get the memory card out, put it back in for the next 4-6 photo's, etc, etc. The - 'inferior' - batch-scanning on the Epson sure is a lot faster. Just my 2 cents. Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 9, 2007 Share #23 Posted June 9, 2007 Went to my dealer today to pick up my replacement 28 cron but Leica had forgotten to ship it to him for today as they had promised. Out of curiosity (and because my backup M8 body is in Solms and when it returns, the one I currently have will follow in its footsteps, thereby leaving me with no backup for up to three months) I asked Bart (the dealer) if he had a second hand MP in stock. I'd thought of one because it can operate at all shutter speeds with no battery. He had. A two year old unwanted gift that had never had film in it and with a passport good til 2010, plus fast winder and Leicavit. All mine for the handsome sum of £1,800 which is about 1,000 less than what that setup would cost new at discount. Plus he threw in some film. How exciting. Now I have a 'real' backup and the pleasure of being able to shoot some film. Can't wait to crank some rolls through and just think how much money I saved by not buying a MATE, now discontinued. Tra la la. Tim Not sure how much use it is going to get. it stayed firmly in the bag at lunchtime - not being exposed to the air. BTW sling on its way to you Tim. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterv Posted June 10, 2007 Share #24 Posted June 10, 2007 Not sure how much use it is going to get. it stayed firmly in the bag at lunchtime - not being exposed to the air. BTW sling on its way to you Tim. Wilson Well, I guess it takes time to get used to. And... I don't know Wilson, can you be trusted with an MP laying around? Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted June 10, 2007 Share #25 Posted June 10, 2007 Thanks everyone for the scanning advice. I think I'm going to ask for a demo of both working; as I said, my last Nikon was expensive, high resolution, but flaky software, "interesting colour," dusty and difficult to clean. The Epson 750 is probably good enough for what I want, but I'd still like to see the differences from a good BW scan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted June 10, 2007 Author Share #26 Posted June 10, 2007 Tim has spent a lot of time testing for focus errors and focus shift on stopping down, so it would be interesting to know whether the results are the same on an MP and to compare how sensitive film and digital are to these effects. Next item for your shopping list Tim, if you don't already have one, is a film scanner... I'm going to get the stuff scanned by a good lab... life is too short for arguments with others about my scanning techniques and gear! But I will no doubt get to doing some comparisons, especially if my 2nd M8 body and 35 cron return from Solms still not on speaking terms... ;0 T Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted June 10, 2007 Author Share #27 Posted June 10, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Congratulations Tim! I did quite a study on this camera, and decided to buy it a la carte. (I've been waiting now for seven weeks, but it's supposed to arrive 'soon') Can't wait really. I love the M8, but to work once again with film stock will be a delight... As for scanning: Here's my film/scan workflow... - Have the films developed only. - Batch-scan my rolls with the V750 PRO in a resolution good enough to judge the photo's. - Don't worry too much about colour correction. - Negatives I really like and want to print for customers, I just have scanned by a pro lab. the difference between the V750 PRO and the Nikon scanners is, I think, not as interesting as the difference between Epson/Nikon and professional Imacon/Heidelberg scanners. The money and time I save batch scanning my rolls of film on the V750 PRO, is well spent on the pro-lab scans when I really need the quality. BTW the scanning quality of the V750PRO is quite good, and one roll of film doesn't take a whole lot of time. Thank you for that good and considered advice... I will be going the lab route but if I decide to DIY as a first step later on, that'll be very useful knowledge! T Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted June 10, 2007 Author Share #28 Posted June 10, 2007 I've actually had some clients ask me to shoot on film (b&w) for the look. I'm like..."well I have this new 5K camera..." Anyway, I have an Imacon 646 so I still really enjoy film, esp MF. MF really is different - different look and different way of working (esp the Rollei twin lens). Also the Hasselblad SWC. I wish the M8 was the end all be all but sorry folks it just ain't. Oh, and Tim, generally when Neopan 1600 comes in most handy you won't be sweating having only a top speed of 1/1000. But you'll love the hand-holdability of the MP at 1/15 and below! And try rating it at 800 - it's got a silky yet grainy smoothness like no other. For grungy go with good ol Tri-X; for all around low grain and high DR try Fuji NP 400. I looked for Tri-X yesterday and there was none around - will have to send off for it. It was my 'growing up' film so I really want to try it again cos I know what it does. Got a roll of Neopan instead but Doh! have to finish a roll of something else first... But the MP has such a fast and quiet shutter that I quite often find myself wondering whether I actually took the shot. Blissful! t Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted June 10, 2007 Author Share #29 Posted June 10, 2007 Tim--must be something in the water--I just yesterday bought Rob Stevenson's M6 TTL .85 So when you come here we can do "comparisons" over pints of all three cameras. Did I mention over beer? It's hot here Jono--this is when you want to come here and take landscape stuff in the Niagara valleys As for scanning, I have a Nikon 4000ED which I do hate. I got it to work, but there's gotta be something better out there by now, right? Can anyone give me the 4 line skinny on this? Nikon vs Epson flatbed? How is the flatbed in particular? I'm thinking not too many people like their Nikon... What's Imacon up to these days? Homer, I thought I heard 'beer' too... Let's compare notes. I fear flame wars from scanning aficionados but hey! Best t Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted June 10, 2007 Author Share #30 Posted June 10, 2007 Not sure how much use it is going to get. it stayed firmly in the bag at lunchtime - not being exposed to the air. BTW sling on its way to you Tim. Wilson Wilson, you are a hero as well as being a fine luncheon-mate! Thank you kindly for the sling, I will try it on the MP first - when I dare risk oxidisation by taking it out of the bag! Look forward to more lunch when you're back here! Thanks again, Best t Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted June 11, 2007 Share #31 Posted June 11, 2007 @Tim--I tell you what, it's even got me thinking negative darkroom and not lab. I sold all my darkroom stuff a long time ago.... and now I'm thinking... BW's not hard to develop.... I could scare up a dark room or two...there's always a closet... and I can always then scan and print, or maybe get an enlarger.. And then I start thinking of all the dust and chemicals and whooosh! Back to the lab Ah-- TriX. And HP5. And PlusX. And Tech. Pan! Can't wait @ Anyone else who knows--one more scanner question... Anyone know anything about the Heidelburg Linoscan 1400? Is it a decent film scanner? I might have a line on a used one... I think they're a re-branded UMAX, but can't find out more than that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 11, 2007 Share #32 Posted June 11, 2007 Well, I guess it takes time to get used to. And... I don't know Wilson, can you be trusted with an MP laying around? Peter MP yes - M7 probably not. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 11, 2007 Share #33 Posted June 11, 2007 @Tim--I tell you what, it's even got me thinking negative darkroom and not lab. I sold all my darkroom stuff a long time ago.... and now I'm thinking... BW's not hard to develop.... I could scare up a dark room or two...there's always a closet... and I can always then scan and print, or maybe get an enlarger.. And then I start thinking of all the dust and chemicals and whooosh! Back to the lab Ah-- TriX. And HP5. And PlusX. And Tech. Pan! Can't wait @ Anyone else who knows--one more scanner question... Anyone know anything about the Heidelburg Linoscan 1400? Is it a decent film scanner? I might have a line on a used one... I think they're a re-branded UMAX, but can't find out more than that... Jamie, If it is the model with the SCSI interface, I would run a mile. SCSI interfaces can be a nightmare. They are working perfectly well one week and the next week they will refuse to work at all. I finally gave up with my Artixscan 4000T film scanner, passed it on FOC to a friend who bought a new Firewire to SCSI converter for his Powermac - he had the same problems and put the whole lot in the bin. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted June 11, 2007 Share #34 Posted June 11, 2007 because it can operate at all shutter speeds with no battery. Buy plenty of batteries you will be going through them every couple of weeks. I think Leica incorporated some nineteen fifties technology in the light meter circuitry and battery compartment. They need a swift kick in the pants on that one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted June 11, 2007 Share #35 Posted June 11, 2007 Jamie, If it is the model with the SCSI interface, I would run a mile. SCSI interfaces can be a nightmare. They are working perfectly well one week and the next week they will refuse to work at all. I finally gave up with my Artixscan 4000T film scanner, passed it on FOC to a friend who bought a new Firewire to SCSI converter for his Powermac - he had the same problems and put the whole lot in the bin. Wilson Hey Wilson--as it turns out yes, it's the model with the SCSI interface, and as it also happens I've been running SCSI drives here for years and still do, so I have a free external port. I agree they can be nightmares, but so can FW on Windows. Thanks for the tip though! Anyone know what it's like as far as quality of scanning goes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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