steppenw0lf Posted January 10, 2017 Share #1101 Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) I checked two minutes ago: On their own website in the "detailed specs" Hasselblad writes that GPS is via a GPS module. If they had simply added the word "external" the description would have been clear and correct. (As the description goes a "naive" reader would still think it is internal as it is mentioned together with the WiFi functionality.) So much about updating websites. And reading the websites about the X1D is really a shame - in most/many of them preparing the market for Xmas, they write explicitly about an "internal module". So this is typical: Nobody has seen or used it, but everybody describes how wonderful it is according to the specs. Really funny. Edited January 10, 2017 by steppenw0lf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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steppenw0lf Posted January 10, 2017 Share #1102 Posted January 10, 2017 I tried to find the existing GPS module, somehow without success. I think in the H6D it is internal (correct ?), and the external one was built for upgrading the H2D and H3D (correct ?). So it is not really clear if it is constructed for the X1D. I will try to find more infos, but I am tired now, maybe that is why I could not find it. Good night! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfleet Posted January 10, 2017 Share #1103 Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) I tried to find the existing GPS module, somehow without success. I think in the H6D it is internal (correct ?), and the external one was built for upgrading the H2D and H3D (correct ?). So it is not really clear if it is constructed for the X1D. I will try to find more infos, but I am tired now, maybe that is why I could not find it. Good night! H system - http://www.hasselblad.com/accessories/h-system-accessories/gil-gps-adapter I expect it will be quite different for the X1D as it will probably have to mount in the hot shoe. Edited January 10, 2017 by wellfleet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 10, 2017 Share #1104 Posted January 10, 2017 http://www.hasselblad.com/accessories/h-system-accessories/gil-gps-adapter that's the correct link. I hope they have downsized it a wee bit! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 10, 2017 Share #1105 Posted January 10, 2017 Fortunately for me, I am entirely indifferent to the GPS function and ideally would prefer it removed so by pure chance this arrangement suits me well. But I agree it important that the official promotional literature is brought up to date and is not misleading in any way, obviously. As far as I'm aware there has been no mention of GPS in the User Manual. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steppenw0lf Posted January 10, 2017 Share #1106 Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) That you do not need it will be a big consolation for all who thought that this is an excellent feature for a landscape camera especially in unknown territory, and are now surprised it is not there as expected. Good that you like to pay for features that you do not get ... I am sure most users will happily agree with you. On the SL I also have it turned off most of the time - to save some energy while in a well known location - probably not necessary, but anyway. But maybe you will notice that this is not exactly the same as not having it at all, when needed. Not even Ming Thein (Hassi ambassador !) knew about this change and expected an internal device. And he also does not exactly know what will be delivered.... Interesting information policy from the side of Hasselblad. It makes you wonder if they themselves already know today what will be delivered... and when... As contrast I remember Jono Slack using GPS already on his trip with an early SL prototype. (See his field report). It is also interesting that all H models use an external GPS device (with a pretty mushroom shape, if you like that). And that the much more compact X1D is the first camera that was planned to have an internal device. So for people knowing the H-series better, this is probably not such a surprise. Edited January 10, 2017 by steppenw0lf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 10, 2017 Share #1107 Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) That you do not need it will be a big consolation for all who thought that this is an excellent feature for a landscape camera especially in unknown territory, and are now surprised it is not there as expected. Good that you like to pay for features that you do not get ... I am sure most users will happily agree with you. ..................... That's a little harsh since I did say that by chance it happens to suit me. And I'm not paying for a feature I'm not getting, because I shall be getting it in a form I'm entirely happy with. But I completely agree that it's no consolation to people who really want a built-in GPS module and believed they were getting one. I wonder whether it's something that might come eventually. The Hasselblad representatives I met (whose every word has so far turned out to be accurate and true) told me that the camera would continue to be developed after release. I hope it's in the way Fujis are though, rather than Leicas! Edited January 10, 2017 by Peter H 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 10, 2017 Share #1108 Posted January 10, 2017 damnit, still nothing on B&H... No worries, it also wasn't in stock in ZH, they tols me it was a glitch in their website. No stock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steppenw0lf Posted January 10, 2017 Share #1109 Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) I am really glad that you are entirely happy with anything you get, although you know very little about its details. I am sure that most users will begrudge your optimism. I am also happy with my SL, but mainly because of the features it actually has and that I have tested/used. Not because they are developing additional features for the future, which I implicitly expect from any camera maker. I could be happy about the future lenses to come - but my optimism is not so unshakable/steadfast .... By the way, face recognition or face AF (or lately eye AF) is a feature also mentioned earlier and not to be found in the manual of the X1D. Another reason to be perfectly happy - because the manual is not even wrong about it. It is simply silent about it. Another feature to expect over the next few weeks, or months, (or years) ... and another good reason for pleasant anticipation. Regarding the SL and its further development: Leica has added several new versions of firmware in the last 12 months, with very pleasant improvements (for my taste). Nothing to complain about, rather a reason for pleasant anticipation. Edited January 10, 2017 by steppenw0lf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 10, 2017 Share #1110 Posted January 10, 2017 I am really glad that you are entirely happy with anything you get, although you know very little about its details. I am sure that most users will begrudge your optimism. I am also happy with my SL, but mainly because of the features it actually has and that I have tested/used. Not because they are developing additional features for the future, which I implicitly expect from any camera maker. By the way, face recognition or face AF (or lately eye AF) is a feature also mentioned earlier and not to be found in the manual of the X1D. Another reason to be perfectly happy - because the manual is not even wrong about it. It is simply silent about it. Another feature to expect over the next few weeks, or months, (or years) ... and another good reason for pleasant anticipation. I have tried it out for an afternoon and made extensive prints from it and I am only judging it on what I know about it from direct experience. The fact that GPS is not important to me doesn't mean I'm happy with whatever I get. You're being silly now! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EoinC Posted January 10, 2017 Share #1111 Posted January 10, 2017 ...Another reason to be perfectly happy - because the manual is not even wrong about it. It is simply silent about it. Another feature to expect over the next few weeks, or months, (or years) ... and another good reason for pleasant anticipation. I guess a little bit like the AF failure feature that Leica don't mention in their S lens publications. Hasselblad aren't the only ones who remain slightly silent on what exactly it is they are selling. FWIW, I'm waiting until both the X1D and the GFX are in the hands of the Commoner before I decide whether I want to add to the current stable. GPS is of no interest to me, but I understand that it is important to others. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steppenw0lf Posted January 10, 2017 Share #1112 Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) As a SL user, I have unfortunately no idea what S feature this is, so I cannot follow. (Probably better to discuss this with S fans.) Filling a bag with interesting features to make it "sexy", but not knowing if able to deliver, is what I mainly find such unethical business methods. By chance it is now GPS, maybe other features will be found out later (like face AF). Of course it is possible to use this camera without these features - but they were promised and included in the package price. Also the changing number of AFpoints makes a bad impression. But of course a certain number is not crucial at all for successful focusing. Edited January 10, 2017 by steppenw0lf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 10, 2017 Share #1113 Posted January 10, 2017 As a SL user, I have unfortunately no idea what S feature this is, so I cannot follow. (Probably better to discuss this with S fans.) Filling a bag with interesting features, but not knowing if able to deliver, is what I mainly find such unethical business methods. By chance it is now GPS, maybe other features will be found out later (like face AF). Of course it is possible to use this camera without these features - but they were promised and included in the package price. Also the changing number of AFpoints makes a bad impression. But of course a certain number is not crucial at all for successful focusing. I don't recall face recognition ever being mentioned by Hasselblad in connection with the X1D. I still have most of the promotional material in a file on my desktop and can find no mention of it. Where was this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steppenw0lf Posted January 10, 2017 Share #1114 Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) Sorry, do not keep all the details. It was in a list of AF features. And it was probably called face AF or face detection or similar (not face recognition, which is probably a security feature). It was a list starting with static AF, improving with continuous AF (or (dynamic) tracking) and culminating in face AF or face detection. (I forgot the exact wording, I even do not recall how it is called in the SL. The wording is usually irrelevant for me, I am more visually oriented ) I just saw that B&H have edited their spec list and removed the GPS feature (only WiFi now). Of course it is not the official doc, but this report of dpreview lists the typical features. (And they have probably not invented it, but taken it from the docs existing at that time). https://www.dpreview.com/news/1988725790/medium-format-mirrorless-hasselblad-unveils-x1d You find it at the end of the report in the list of X1D features/specifications in the Autofocus part. But if you need a proof valid in court, I cannot deliver... Edited January 10, 2017 by steppenw0lf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 10, 2017 Share #1115 Posted January 10, 2017 Sorry, do not keep all the details. It was in a list of AF features. And it was probably called face AF or face detection or similar (not face recognition, which is probably a security feature). It was a list starting with static AF, improving with continuous AF (or (dynamic) tracking) and culminating in face AF or face detection. (I forgot the exact wording, I even do not recall how it is called in the SL. The wording is usually irrelevant for me, I am more visually oriented ) Are you sure it was Hasselblad who listed it as a feature though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steppenw0lf Posted January 10, 2017 Share #1116 Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) It was published in several places that usually reprint what the producers give them as specifications. (And that rarely invent and add things without motivation). See also the things I added above (your answer was too quick, before my entry was finished). Edited January 10, 2017 by steppenw0lf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfleet Posted January 10, 2017 Share #1117 Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) FWIW, the original specs that DPReview posted around the end of June had both face detection and internal GPS listed, which I assumed they had received from Hasselblad. https://www.dpreview.com/news/1988725790/medium-format-mirrorless-hasselblad-unveils-x1d Luckily, neither of these "non-features" are important to me. Edited January 10, 2017 by wellfleet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 10, 2017 Share #1118 Posted January 10, 2017 Sorry, do not keep all the details. It was in a list of AF features. And it was probably called face AF or face detection or similar (not face recognition, which is probably a security feature). It was a list starting with static AF, improving with continuous AF (or (dynamic) tracking) and culminating in face AF or face detection. (I forgot the exact wording, I even do not recall how it is called in the SL. The wording is usually irrelevant for me, I am more visually oriented ) I just saw that B&H have edited their spec list and removed the GPS feature (only WiFi now). Of course it is not the official doc, but this report of dpreview lists the typical features. (And they have probably not invented it, but taken it from the docs existing at that time). https://www.dpreview.com/news/1988725790/medium-format-mirrorless-hasselblad-unveils-x1d You find it at the end of the report in the list of X1D features/specifications in the Autofocus part. But if you need a proof valid in court, I cannot deliver... Of course I'm not trying to find court-proof evidence. I hope this is still just a friendly conversation. But I think you're a bit off-track here. You raised the question of dishonest marketing, which is quite a serious allegation and also a criticism of the product. But I really can't accept that Hasselblad can be blamed for something they have never claimed or even suggested, and which an early third-party "review" gets wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 10, 2017 Share #1119 Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) FWIW, the original specs that DPReview posted around the end of June had both face detection and internal GPS listed, which I assumed they had received from Hasselblad. You may assume that but there's no evidence, since other early previews didn't mention it, and neither did Hasselblad in any of their literature as far as I can tell, although GPS was mentioned. Perhaps DPReview made a simple mistake? Edited January 10, 2017 by Peter H Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted January 10, 2017 Share #1120 Posted January 10, 2017 Wouldn't a discussion about what the vendor stated and what he did not state better start with some kind of document which contains what he stated? I would rather expect any list of features of a product to be launched in the far future to be pretty tentative. As has been said before: if the adverts promise a feature you think important and the feature is not there, give your product back. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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