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I've been waiting for this lens for weeks now, all US dealers I know of are back ordered. I see some grey market items (which I'm not interested in) available. Are Leica delivering this lens anywhere? Is there some manufacturing issue holding things up?

 

 

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I think it is coming out slowly. I read somewhere that there was some changes in production process or something to that effect that slowed down the production a bit. I got mine last month though.

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I hear from my dealer that there are technical challenges in production, I'd rather be patient than get a lens with problems.

 yes .... sounds likely ...... my dealer said some of the original production run were not shipped due to final QC checks revealing some issues. 

 

after a number of previous cock-ups Leica have (thankfully)  at last become a bit more cautious in releasing new products with potential problems.

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is Leica factory undergoing some raw material shortage, labor union strike that is at a crisis level that the Leica Stores in Singapore cannot advice customers on the delivery date for the prepordered APO Vario Elmarit 90-280mm lens?

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Had mine for a couple of months. Whenever release day was... Apparently I was the only on in Oz with one for several weeks.

 

I don't know about the rumour of production issues. It's probably just a limited amount of tooling, assembly and testing benches making them dribble out. After the initial rush they don't need to make these things in Canikon quantities. There's no point for Leica to create a production system that overproduces in 6 months from now, that they then have to pull back. Leica have always been conservative with their production capacity. All the digital M's and the Q are also examples.

 

My lens has no issues. Nothing has come from Leica, that I'm aware of. It's just a slow rollout, possibly with a bit more demand than Leica were expecting.

 

Gordon

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is Leica factory undergoing some raw material shortage, labor union strike that is at a crisis level that the Leica Stores in Singapore cannot advice customers on the delivery date for the prepordered APO Vario Elmarit 90-280mm lens?

 I think this has more to do with the 'Lawn Sprinkler Effect' ....... the further you are away from the sprinkler the less water droplets you get ...... :mellow:

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I think this has more to do with the 'Lawn Sprinkler Effect' ....... the further you are away from the sprinkler the less water droplets you get ...... :mellow:

That's provided there is enough water coming out at source :)

I can accept waiting in the que but Leica should have a good communication with customers while we wait. I was verbally communicated a 2 to 3 wks wait by the Leica Store rep upon Preprdering the 90-280mm lens. When came closer, I had received a text on a collection date. When I went for collection, I was disappointed to find that the stock had not arrived as I was told. When I follow up further, no Leica store staff could tell me an estimated date of delivery on Leica Store Singapore face book page. In a manufacturing setup, everything is planned then executed with a standard operating procedure. That led me to believe there must be a Supply Chain Crisis going on in Leica factory that disrupted supply and quality!

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That's provided there is enough water coming out at source :)

I can accept waiting in the que but Leica should have a good communication with customers while we wait. I was verbally communicated a 2 to 3 wks wait by the Leica Store rep upon Preprdering the 90-280mm lens. When came closer, I had received a text on a collection date. When I went for collection, I was disappointed to find that the stock had not arrived as I was told. When I follow up further, no Leica store staff could tell me an estimated date of delivery on Leica Store Singapore face book page. In a manufacturing setup, everything is planned then executed with a standard operating procedure. That led me to believe there must be a Supply Chain Crisis going on in Leica factory that disrupted supply and quality!

 A frequent Leica issue ...... production unable to meet demand ..... hand assembled highly adjusted complex equipment .... produced in batches with longish gaps before the next issue. 

 

After a few years you get used to it .... and develop crafty strategies to ensure you are always at the head of the queue ...... and occasionally even get things before they are officially released....  ;)

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Some dealers will sell "your" lens to passing trade, knowing that they will always get your sale, but the passing one is extra.

Not illegal, possibly unethical, depending on the circumstances.  After all, unless you paid a deposit, you could walk away too.  And some of the Leica clientele would do that even if they had paid.  However, with production of lenses, for example, up, the days of the apocryphal Chinese and Russians flying to the capitals of Europe to pick up a lens at a moment's notice are over. 

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Some dealers will sell "your" lens to passing trade, knowing that they will always get your sale, but the passing one is extra.

Not illegal, possibly unethical, depending on the circumstances.  After all, unless you paid a deposit, you could walk away too.  And some of the Leica clientele would do that even if they had paid.  However, with production of lenses, for example, up, the days of the apocryphal Chinese and Russians flying to the capitals of Europe to pick up a lens at a moment's notice are over.

Yeah, agree. That thought lingers in my head as well knowing how leica works!

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I don't know if the day has passed where the Leica travelling reps would have "favourite" dealers who were prepared to carry stock of slower moving items like new film M bodies. Those dealers always got "first dibs" on new items to the extent that some could sell to people walking in off the street, while other people who had waited months with that item on order at a different, less favoured dealer, were still without. I am not sure Leica Mayfair even has travelling reps like Milton Keynes used to have. 

 

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I don't think that they have travelling Reps, as there are few independent stores.  Instead deals are negotiated centrally.

 

It used to be that you had to agree to sell a certain value to get the "support" from Leica that a dealer needs.  (This was hard to do when Leica couldn't make enough product.)

 

I imagine that dealers put their bids for products in to a central system and Leica supplies to those orders.

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Some dealers will sell "your" lens to passing trade, knowing that they will always get your sale, but the passing one is extra.

Not illegal, possibly unethical, depending on the circumstances.  After all, unless you paid a deposit, you could walk away too.  And some of the Leica clientele would do that even if they had paid.  However, with production of lenses, for example, up, the days of the apocryphal Chinese and Russians flying to the capitals of Europe to pick up a lens at a moment's notice are over. 

 

Maybe where you are but the stores I work with are honest. I'm a really good customer at a few stores in my area and I have never been offered a hard to get item without waiting my turn, even if they know I'll go down the road to someone else who has it. A friend of mine wants to buy a Canon 1DX2. I rang every dealer I know and they all told me I needed to join the wait list, even though they knew that I was ringing around.

 

If a dealer was bumping pre-orders for quick profit they'd lose my business forever.

 

Gordon

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Well, down here at the bottom of the world, one 90-280 is coming in 4-5 weeks and it could be September before there is another one.

 

I placed my order yesterday, for delivery later in the year (when I will have put aside the requisite pennies).

 

If it's the end of the year or early next, I don't particularly mind.  It will come when it comes, that's the Leica world we live in.

 

Cheers

John

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