otto.f Posted July 18, 2016 Share #41 Posted July 18, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) I guess the modal age of the M-user is 50+, so commercially it would be wise to bring in IS, also because the younger photographers are already used to it with systems they use before they step over to Leica Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paul J Posted July 18, 2016 Share #42 Posted July 18, 2016 I'm actually somewhat skeptical of IBIS type setups. The room for error, sensor side, is minuscule and I've heard many users saying they think it has been creating issues with focus plane. IMO, the problem in the a7r was not lack of IBIS, it was the Tank-cannon like shutter that could be heard from down the street. I would not be surprised if Sony used this shutter intentionally in their first offering to create vibration - only to later seemingly solve it in the a7r2 with IBIS (but more importantly a better shutter), something that other manufacturers aren't able to offer, proliferating the disinformation that unless you have IBIS in a small camera you will get shutter shake and motion blur. Sony have had "steady shot" for years, and they somehow didn't use it in the 36MP a7r and they would have seen the effects of the shutter in their testing. The Canon has excellent dampening, all that is needed, and something that is seemingly lacking in the Nikon. Given the Leica doesn't have anything to dampen, one or two stops better ISO will be all that is needed and something I would greatly prefer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pechelman Posted July 18, 2016 Share #43 Posted July 18, 2016 as far as i know, most leica cameras ever made have always had image stabilization built into the body in the form of a tripod thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregm61 Posted July 18, 2016 Share #44 Posted July 18, 2016 LOL... . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted July 21, 2016 Share #45 Posted July 21, 2016 Why not use a compact, cheap and innovative external stabilization tool !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 22, 2016 Share #46 Posted July 22, 2016 It is not innovative, it is age-old, but it works. Thanks for reminding me of it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted July 22, 2016 Share #47 Posted July 22, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm actually somewhat skeptical of IBIS type setups. The room for error, sensor side, is minuscule and I've heard many users saying they think it has been creating issues with focus plane. Given the Leica doesn't have anything to dampen, one or two stops better ISO will be all that is needed and something I would greatly prefer. That is very true. One of the problems of IBIS, is that when it's broken, the sensor will be loose and moving freely, which renders the camera useless. It's not that you can turn it off and keep on shooting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted July 23, 2016 Share #48 Posted July 23, 2016 Does anyone know if IBIS adversely affects sharpness? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted July 23, 2016 Share #49 Posted July 23, 2016 Does anyone know if IBIS adversely affects sharpness? Apparently it does: http://www.apotelyt.com/photo-terms/imaging-glossary Please scroll down to section on IBIS if interested Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted July 23, 2016 Share #50 Posted July 23, 2016 That is very true. One of the problems of IBIS, is that when it's broken, the sensor will be loose and moving freely, which renders the camera useless. It's not that you can turn it off and keep on shooting. It doesn't quite work that way. If you turn power off it docks itself magnetically. You can power up a camera, turn it off, and it will dock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted July 24, 2016 Share #51 Posted July 24, 2016 It doesn't quite work that way. If you turn power off it docks itself magnetically. You can power up a camera, turn it off, and it will dock. Not when it's broken apparently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted July 24, 2016 Share #52 Posted July 24, 2016 Does anyone know if IBIS adversely affects sharpness? It rarely affects sharpness if used correctly. It has to be turned off on tripod and when you have fast enough shutter speeds. Also if you click the shutter before reaching optimum stabilization you get more blur, so you have to keep an eye on that too. I personally find IBIS too distracting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphh Posted July 24, 2016 Share #53 Posted July 24, 2016 I had an Olympus m43 camera with IBIS. it did seem to affect image sharpness a bit, and I also found it quite useless as I only really photograph people, and I can hand hold a camera at a shutter as slow as most people can hold still. For anything that doesn't move I'm happy to use a lightweight tripod. I didn't buy the camera because it had it, it just came with it, and I genuinely would have no interest in having it again. Now a self-cleaning sensor... That would be something worth having imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted July 24, 2016 Share #54 Posted July 24, 2016 A dust detection feature in the camera which produced instructions for Lightroom to tell it where the dust was would be convenient. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphh Posted July 24, 2016 Share #55 Posted July 24, 2016 Well that's great at f22, but at medium apertures, dust spots just lower contrast and sharpness over a larger area. That's much harder to fix with software. And you have to shoot a test frame every time you change lenses. I'd rather not have the dust to start with. My 5D3 is 3 years old and I've only had to clean the sensor once. The self cleaning is extremely effective. That Olympus I had for a year and I don't remember ever have to clean it. And I'm very fussy about sensor dust. I probably clean my M twice a month if I've been using it regularly and swapping lenses a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted July 24, 2016 Share #56 Posted July 24, 2016 Can you show us some examples? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted July 24, 2016 Share #57 Posted July 24, 2016 They are very hard to find where not in the sky and there they are very easy to fix. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphh Posted July 24, 2016 Share #58 Posted July 24, 2016 I cannot imagine why you would prefer to have dirt that needs to be manually found by shooting test frames, and then software corrected, to just having no dirt because it was removed automatically every time the camera was turned on, except that the former could be added to the M240 via a firmware upgrade, which I would be nice for Leica to do of course. But the thread is about the next M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted July 24, 2016 Share #59 Posted July 24, 2016 The automatic cleaning on the SL was very effective. In four months of usage not even one spot of dust. The M240 had an oil splatter problem from the shutter but not so much dry dust as far as I remember. Now the M262 doesn't seem to have the oil problem, and dry dust can be easily removed with a bulb blower. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphh Posted July 24, 2016 Share #60 Posted July 24, 2016 I'm getting large amounts of something that I can't blow off, or brush off, and needs wet cleaning . Fairly regularly. Most of it looks like dust rather than oil, but I am getting the odd oil spot / smear too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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