jonoslack Posted June 2, 2016 Share #21  Posted June 2, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks for the update, Jono. Disappointing news for the messes (with the exception of "lct" and his/her focus shift-less copy  ). Essentially new housing for an amortized optical cell? Maybe it's a transitional piece until the next M beams down to Earth.  I am compelled to quote...myself:  Hi There I'm sure the messes won't mind too much   - anyway, I thought LCT only used his M lenses on non Leica cameras these days? focus shift isn't much of an issue if you're using an EVF  Still, I didn't find the focus shift on the 35 'cron too troublesome - it's a grand lens (old and new version), but I never really liked the 35mm focal length anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hayek Posted June 2, 2016 Share #22  Posted June 2, 2016 Hi There I'm sure the messes won't mind too much   - anyway, I thought LCT only used his M lenses on non Leica cameras these days? focus shift isn't much of an issue if you're using an EVF  Still, I didn't find the focus shift on the 35 'cron too troublesome - it's a grand lens (old and new version), but I never really liked the 35mm focal length anyway.  Ah, the joys of automated spelling corrections! I wonder then whether the 35 as-is works just fine on the SL. Maybe that's why they left it unchanged. Pretty damned sharp at ƒ/2 with little wanting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted June 2, 2016 Share #23  Posted June 2, 2016 Ah, the joys of automated spelling corrections! I wonder then whether the 35 as-is works just fine on the SL. Maybe that's why they left it unchanged. Pretty damned sharp at ƒ/2 with little wanting.   I really don't think these changes were done with respect to the SL - they want us all to buy SL lenses! Incidentally - all the lenses I've tested work fine on the SL - some lenses work slightly better on the M240, but I don't think it would be noticeable in real life shooting. I think it's just their usual periodic improvement of the lenses, and in this case updating the lens hood was  worth doing (and making the aperture rounder).  What surprised me about the 28s was how bad the corners actually are at infinity - not something I'd really noticed in the real world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted June 2, 2016 Share #24 Â Posted June 2, 2016 ................ Â What surprised me about the 28s was how bad the corners actually are at infinity - not something I'd really noticed in the real world. Â Â To change a word of Mr. Hamlet's: Â Thus conscience a new lens does make cowards of us all, And thus the native hue of resolution Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought, And enterprises of great pith and moment With this regard their currents turn awry.... Â In other words, if it's always been that hard to see, let's not start worrying about it now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted June 2, 2016 Share #25 Â Posted June 2, 2016 You realise these 'imperfections' will make the old 2.0/28 ASPH a collectible classic? I can feel it's value rising with each post ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted June 2, 2016 Share #26  Posted June 2, 2016   In other words, if it's always been that hard to see, let's not start worrying about it now.    Well I rather agree with you . . . . . but personally I sold the old lens a couple of years ago as it was demonstrably not as good as the new summilux . . . which is no longer the case . . .   Generally speaking if Leica go to the trouble of improving a lens it's good to know what the difference is (wouldn't you say).  Then you can make a sensible decision with the knowledge at your fingertips Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted June 2, 2016 Share #27  Posted June 2, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well I rather agree with you . . . . . but personally I sold the old lens a couple of years ago as it was demonstrably not as good as the new summilux . . . which is no longer the case . . .   Generally speaking if Leica go to the trouble of improving a lens it's good to know what the difference is (wouldn't you say).  Then you can make a sensible decision with the knowledge at your fingertips   Oh, I certainly agree with you, and I'm grateful for the review.  I also think it's good that Leica make these periodic improvements, whether they are large or small, so as to keep the quality of the range as high as possible at all times, so I'm not being critical at all.  I'm just reflecting on my own (and no doubt some others') immediate impulse to consider every improvement a reason to change a lens, which is obviously a bit silly! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayek Posted June 2, 2016 Share #28  Posted June 2, 2016 .. personally I sold the old lens a couple of years ago as it was demonstrably not as good as the new summilux . . . which is no longer the case . . .   Generally speaking if Leica go to the trouble of improving a lens it's good to know what the difference is (wouldn't you say).  Then you can make a sensible decision with the knowledge at your fingertips  Lloyd Chambers, who seems to find the deficits in everything Leica while 'faults' in Zeiss always add "character, does extensively elaborate on the deficiencies of the old 28 Summicron ASPH. The Elmarit ASPH appeared at the time to be a better all-around optic. Jono, you posted spectacular images from the Summilux on introduction but I still can't seem to find the 5 grand to make it happen. I'm still sticking with my RIcoh GR for 28mm. In 3 years, it's never let me down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted June 2, 2016 Share #29  Posted June 2, 2016 Lloyd Chambers, who seems to find the deficits in everything Leica while 'faults' in Zeiss always add "character, does extensively elaborate on the deficiencies of the old 28 Summicron ASPH. The Elmarit ASPH appeared at the time to be a better all-around optic. Jono, you posted spectacular images from the Summilux on introduction but I still can't seem to find the 5 grand to make it happen. I'm still sticking with my RIcoh GR for 28mm. In 3 years, it's never let me down.   Well, I think you're extremely sensible - that Ricoh is a little gem . . . I've long since put the cost of the summilux out of my mind - but I have bought the new summicron and it's sweet for travelling more lightly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
semi-ambivalent Posted June 2, 2016 Share #30  Posted June 2, 2016 Well I rather agree with you . . . . . but personally I sold the old lens a couple of years ago as it was demonstrably not as good as the new summilux . . . which is no longer the case . . .   Generally speaking if Leica go to the trouble of improving a lens it's good to know what the difference is (wouldn't you say).  Then you can make a sensible decision with the knowledge at your fingertips My pixel counts are in my head but I approve of Leica making improvements on their lenses whether I will ever have a camera that can put such improvements to good use. Yet in all the online reports and images of these three new siblings (your excellent report included) I have yet to see any that include images of the lenses in hand with their hoods on, or in-hand comparisons with the prior versions. Only the useless Leica images provided at release time. With such minor changes to optics new hoods, esp. the 28 Summicron's, should be a more than minor point here. But I see nothing.  Regards, s-a Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahakalaka Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share #31  Posted June 2, 2016 Thanks again for all the replies everyone!  Funny how this thread took a turn to discussing the 28mm lenses, and how improved the new 28 Summicron is over the past one. I've bought and sold my fair share of Leica and Ziess lenses through the years, and my absolute favourite lens I've had, both when shooting film and on my Monochrom v1, is the earlier 28mm Summicron!  It may have some shortcomings, but I just absolutely love the look of the images with this lens! I'm sure I would love the new 28mm Summicron as well, but not for me.  Now for the kicker, today I bought the new 35mm Summicron, and my main reson for buying it was, that I'm hoping the images will be closer in feel to that of my not-improoved 28mm Summicron, than what I have been getting from my old 35mm Summicron v3! I know the V3 has a good reputation, but I'm just getting tired of the look. The v3 is actually my first Leica lens, yeay! I usually don't keep stuff I don't use, but I think I'm gonna hang on to this one.  Just messing around with my new 35mm around the house, I think I am going to be very happy with this lens.  Cheers, Max   Cheers, Max Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted June 3, 2016 Share #32 Â Posted June 3, 2016 I read this thread and I'm tooootally lost. Â In short: What are the supposed shortcomings of the old 28 cron? What are the supposed ameliorated aspects of the new one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted June 3, 2016 Share #33 Â Posted June 3, 2016 I read this thread and I'm tooootally lost. Â In short: What are the supposed shortcomings of the old 28 cron? Â IT'S THE OLD 28 CRON What are the supposed ameliorated aspects of the new one? IT'S THE NEW 28 CRON Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 3, 2016 Share #34 Â Posted June 3, 2016 Boricron vs Shiftocron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted June 3, 2016 Share #35  Posted June 3, 2016 Thanks again for all the replies everyone!  Funny how this thread took a turn to discussing the 28mm lenses, and how improved the new 28 Summicron is over the past one. I've bought and sold my fair share of Leica and Ziess lenses through the years, and my absolute favourite lens I've had, both when shooting film and on my Monochrom v1, is the earlier 28mm Summicron!  It may have some shortcomings, but I just absolutely love the look of the images with this lens! I'm sure I would love the new 28mm Summicron as well, but not for me.   Hi Max I'd be interested to see whether the look has changed - I suspect that it might have done, but I haven't had the time to do a real comparison (the old lens was borrowed from Red Dot). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted June 3, 2016 Share #36  Posted June 3, 2016 I read this thread and I'm tooootally lost.  In short: What are the supposed shortcomings of the old 28 cron? What are the supposed ameliorated aspects of the new one? Supposed Shortcomings of the old Summicron: 1. rather extreme curvature of field, especially at infinity, which makes it tough to get the corners and centre in focus at the same time 2. soft corners at wider apertures on digital cameras (not so sure about film) 3. crappy fall of and stamp on lens hood (which is also huge).  Supposed ameliorated aspects of the new one: 1. Much less curvature of field 2. improved optical formula and thus MTF figures 3. Screw in lens hood which doesn't fall off and get stamped on  . . .  and if you want to see the effects of this you can look here:  http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-news/2016/06/old-new-leica-28mm-summicron-asph/  I hope that helps Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted June 3, 2016 Share #37 Â Posted June 3, 2016 It's a shame that this discussion about the 28mm Summicron is in the wrong thread, where people who are interested in it might not find it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted June 3, 2016 Share #38  Posted June 3, 2016 It's a shame that this discussion about the 28mm Summicron is in the wrong thread, where people who are interested in it might not find it.  Isn't it . . . . not quite sure what to do about it though.  . . . but I've copied that message to the other thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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